Who will be the next undisputed king of HW Boxing?

Discussion in 'Boxing Discussion' started by wildchild88, Mar 12, 2018.

  1. Philtard

    Philtard Black Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2010
    Messages:
    5,113
    Likes Received:
    6,284
    Location:
    London England blad
    He isn't a world class athlete. He's never been a great athlete. He's got great boxing for a big man.

    Nowadays technique is under rated compared to athletic ability.
     
    MMA MASTER likes this.
  2. randomg1t

    randomg1t EVERYTIME CHAMPION

    Joined:
    May 8, 2005
    Messages:
    13,061
    Likes Received:
    4,447
    i didn't mean it in terms of his athleticism, i meant it as in an athlete competing at the highest level. and i agree that he isn't one, either way... which is why i'm baffled anyone would consider him relevant in the current HW landscape.

    he isn't nearly as good as people make him out to be. he was surprisingly quick and agile for a man his size, and his technique was clean. but even the fury that beat klitschko would look like a fool against AJ or wilder, or even ortiz. his biggest victory was dethroning wlad, but that fight was hardly impressive. it was a staring contest and the punch numbers were ridiculous, and yet people still act as if he's this boxing magician that outclassed klitschko.
     
    Philtard and 4daLuLZ like this.
  3. MC Paul Barman

    MC Paul Barman Gold Belt Platinum Member

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2002
    Messages:
    20,907
    Likes Received:
    4,196
    Location:
    WI
    I do like AJ... and maybe I need to watch some more recent fights. Earlier on I thought he looked alittle too wooden in the ring.
    But, he did open up and get a bit more loose after Klitschko dropped him. Then he seemed a lot more relaxed and fluid.

    Either way it will be a great fight.
     
    Philtard likes this.
  4. Bert415

    Bert415 Orange Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2016
    Messages:
    329
    Likes Received:
    358
    He was unstable and doing coke when he beat Klitschko. If he comes back, and I think he will, he will be a tough fight for Wilder or Joshua.
     
    Jonny Ninja and Philtard like this.
  5. 4daLuLZ

    4daLuLZ Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2017
    Messages:
    1,741
    Likes Received:
    1,616
    Tyson Fury never had the makings of a varsity athlete.
     
    Phisher and Philtard like this.
  6. Fluffernutter

    Fluffernutter Black Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2008
    Messages:
    6,649
    Likes Received:
    5,565
    Jean Pierre Augustin
     
  7. listrahtes

    listrahtes Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2015
    Messages:
    3,295
    Likes Received:
    3,168
    I am not so sure with "whole country behind him". I talked to quite some british who are no fans of his.
    His "black race is superior" bullshit he wrote (hacked I know :rolleyes:) some time ago combined with his religious change to islam (its obvious) is somewhat controversial even if he now keeps all this private. Who makes a photo of himself with sunglasses in a mosque?

    He is some kind of black supremacist and tends to go on the extreme side while doing the classic victimizing himself in social media.
    AJ

    Its a dangerous combination and sadly just fits well together with radical islam.

    With AJ I always get a complete fake vibe as soon as he speaks in public.
     
  8. Jonny Ninja

    Jonny Ninja Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2011
    Messages:
    3,140
    Likes Received:
    1,321
    Location:
    The Green Belt
    I think some people do over rate him but a lot of fans also don't take his size in to consideration; its a massive advantage. Wlad couldn't bully him and wasn't prepared to take risks as he would get hit so the fight was as it was.
    He has an enormous size advantage over the 2 best guys, better footwork and is a better boxer than both. Factor in his size, he will be a problem for both of those guys if he comes back with his head right
     
    wildchild88 likes this.
  9. Jonny Ninja

    Jonny Ninja Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2011
    Messages:
    3,140
    Likes Received:
    1,321
    Location:
    The Green Belt
    Watched the Joshua/Wlad fight again last night for the first time since the fight. Hes in real trouble if hes hurt or gasses against wilder, he won't be let off the hook. Actually quite impressed with his head movement throughout the whole fight, but worry that hes too predictable slipping the jab. I think Wilder can land that right before he can counter because there is a massive speed difference. very surprised that he got up from that right hand, id definitely give Joshua the edge in durability but both of these guys have decent chins it seems, and heart
    Still slightly favour Joshua because wilder is so easy to hit. And this time he's facing a guy that's as long as him. Joshua’s already had that with wlad
     
    Last edited: Mar 13, 2018
  10. ironfist05

    ironfist05 Silver Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2012
    Messages:
    12,244
    Likes Received:
    2,835
    Joshua IMO
     
  11. actjac

    actjac Down goes Frazuh...down goes Frazuh

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2008
    Messages:
    1,814
    Likes Received:
    120
    The winner of the biggest fight in history. . . .Wilder vs Fury in about 3 or 4 years.
     
  12. Minowafanatic

    Minowafanatic Black Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2010
    Messages:
    5,765
    Likes Received:
    1,057
    It's absolutely amazing to me that people would pick Fury over Wilder (or Joshua) for this, that's some delusion right there
     
    randomg1t and Jonny Ninja like this.
  13. RR

    RR Step into the lab Staff Member Senior Moderator

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2009
    Messages:
    60,757
    Likes Received:
    31,339
    Location:
    Rustlemania
    Deontay is and will continue to be.
     
  14. cocksure

    cocksure Red Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2007
    Messages:
    9,552
    Likes Received:
    2,690
    Location:
    England
    Did you see the 7th Rd?
    Do you know who Anthony Joshua is?
    Ever thought of cutting back on the mushrooms?
     
  15. wildchild88

    wildchild88 Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2015
    Messages:
    1,879
    Likes Received:
    2,314
    This is true, the size difference and the fact that Fury is the superior tactician will be a factor.
     
  16. PUO3

    PUO3 You are a can. Staff Member Senior Moderator

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2012
    Messages:
    53,463
    Likes Received:
    31,352
    Location:
    Sippin lean
    So much different from Joshua getting the shit knocked out of him by Wlad right?
     
  17. Philtard

    Philtard Black Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2010
    Messages:
    5,113
    Likes Received:
    6,284
    Location:
    London England blad
    The same Wlad who is ten times the opposition wilder has ever faced and actually came to fight after his lack luster performance against fury. No bones about it joshua is the A side.
     
  18. PUO3

    PUO3 You are a can. Staff Member Senior Moderator

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2012
    Messages:
    53,463
    Likes Received:
    31,352
    Location:
    Sippin lean
    That version of Wlad who just lost to Fury is 10x better than Ortiz? No, no he is not lol.

    I didnt mention any A side. I simply said Joshuas fight with Wlad isnt different than Wilders with Ortiz.
     
  19. Philtard

    Philtard Black Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2010
    Messages:
    5,113
    Likes Received:
    6,284
    Location:
    London England blad
    Did you watch that fight? Vlad was more game than he'd been in his previous outings by far. That was a reignited vlad after the fury loss. That wlad is by far and away a better boxer than Ortiz. Though Ortiz is a respectable win. Deontays best win by far and that isn't hard to achieve..

    The wlad fight was AJ's 19th fight. I wonder who was Deontay s? Who knows? It'd be a huge can though.

    How you draw any comparisons I don't know. Incredibly short sighted your statement.
     
  20. MC Paul Barman

    MC Paul Barman Gold Belt Platinum Member

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2002
    Messages:
    20,907
    Likes Received:
    4,196
    Location:
    WI
    Did Tim Witherspoon vs Frank Bruno have this kind of build up to it before their fight?
     

Share This Page