Who knows the story behind Gordon Ryan?

[JustTheTip]

ryan hall was love and famous not for his accomplishments, but for his dvds, I loved ryan because he honed my game from white to purple, and probably many other mores. DJ started after ryan, and tim nor dj were involved in any scandal, it was lloyd who had sex with her student (and other who actually raped one) keenan tood the high road and went to atos after that incident. Tim and DJ stayed loyal to lloyd, thats why people dont like them.
(not to mention watching dj roll is horrendous, but thats another issue)

I'm not going to go back and forth with you on this. The timelines are clear. Lloyd has been in the game over a decade. The "scandal" is relatively recent. Prior to the "scandal" Lloyd's teams had been very successful and he was cutting edge in his training methods and marketing. Keenan had moved across the country to train there and was was unheard of prior to Lloyd developing him.You are changing the narrative and this convo will go in circles.

 

[jack36767]

thats basically what I said, in some places is worst than others, but none have problems getting jobs education or anything close to what a race problem would be like in the US, most of the times people refer to them as cabecitas negras or some stuff like that, but is nothing really bad in general terms, normally making fun of them.

I think that people underrate the issue in South America and overrate the issue in the US so that the real underlying issues aren’t addressed like poverty. But we’re on the same page

 

[JustTheTip]

Bringing it all back, Gordon Ryan did a great job this past weekend and I hope he continues to have success. He really surprised me with his performance and I look forward to him further developing and adding to his accomplishments.

 

[rmongler]

I think that people underrate the issue in South America and overrate the issue in the US so that the real underlying issues aren’t addressed like poverty. But we’re on the same page

Practically everyone lives in a clownworld to one degree or another since most people get their information from news outlets. If major newsmakers disproportionately report certain types of stories more often (or less often) than others, people will naturally believe that there is a huge issue (or not an issue at all) because 'they keep hearing about it' ('never hear about it'). It becomes their personal reality.

 

[JoelThomas]

The only reason the people I’m talking don’t dominate Bjj and mma is because of financial incentives and popularity.

So a dude would achieve utter dominance in a sport as complicated as BJJ because he's large and can run into people fast; and the only reason he doesn't do it is because money.

 

[BJJ_Rage]

I think that people underrate the issue in South America and overrate the issue in the US so that the real underlying issues aren’t addressed like poverty. But we’re on the same page

Poverty is the main problem in southamerica, that's 100% right

 

[jack36767]

So a dude would achieve utter dominance in a sport as complicated as BJJ because he's large and can run into people fast; and the only reason he doesn't do it is because money.

Aww that’s actually somewhat irritating you’ve conveniently ignored the rest of what I’ve said.

1. I wasn’t just talking about the huge ones, but you know I said that multiple times you just ignored it though
2. You seem to be implying those “large people who run into people fast” are too dumb to learn a complicated sport like Bjj or be coachable.. so you “sound” either bitter or dumb if you believe all of those big jocks are dumb
3. They usually have better lateral quickness, footspeed, agility, tend to learn things especially physical activities quickly, and their perioreption (or however you spell it) and balance is very good as well.. oh wait.. I know I know, it makes you feel better to be “smarter” and more technical in a niche sport
4. If you want to talk about the intangibles of those high level athletes if they suddenly entered Bjj vs people like you.. they’re coachable if you don’t drench it in sifu martial arts pomp and ceremony, they are used to practicing and training and drilling even if they hate it, and probably more competitive and aggressive than you

If you really need that mental crutch (and elitism and certain predjudices) to say that those type of athletes wouldn’t do well in Bjj because it’s too complicated for large guys who just run into people.. well I know I’d never lose to you. Because you are both close minded and look for excuses

EDIT: and why would he consider a niche sport that has no real money, mass interest, or a viable career through coaching compared to the sport he already does?

 

[jack36767]

Practically everyone lives in a clownworld to one degree or another since most people get their information from news outlets. If major newsmakers disproportionately report certain types of stories more often (or less often) than others, people will naturally believe that there is a huge issue (or not an issue at all) because 'they keep hearing about it' ('never hear about it'). It becomes their personal reality.

I do my best to listen to both sides even if I consider them racist rednecks or hypocritical martini socialists who do nothing to help the people in the area they gentrify as they drink their 10 dollar craft beer. Because I believe that one must be able to understand someone else’s point of view even if you think it’s asinine. My opinion is strongly influenced by the fact I actually work with impoverished kids though

 

[jack36767]

Poverty is the main problem in southamerica, that's 100% right

And more and more in the us

 

[kenetics]

The story behind Gordon Ryan is he tapped Keenan and made all the Keenan fan boys cried. LOL!

I'm sure Keenan will get him back in the GI and many others for that matter lol.

 

[lechien]

Well. Gordon is now moving to GI competition.

It is going to be very interesting to see how he gonna develop technically.

Wonder how well danaher can create a system for GI ibjjf rule s

 

[BJJ_Rage]

Well. Gordon is now moving to GI competition.

It is going to be very interesting to see how he gonna develop technically.

Wonder how well danaher can create a system for GI ibjjf rule s

that will be a hard task, but seeing that he has done more than just sit on his ass and hh people in this past adcc, I believe hes the best of the dds to go gi, among with gary. Eddie cummins is the one with the least favorable style to go gi.

 

[lechien]

that will be a hard task, but seeing that he has done more than just sit on his ass and hh people in this past adcc, I believe hes the best of the dds to go gi, among with gary. Eddie cummins is the one with the least favorable style to go gi.

Gary and tom trains nogi but still teach GI classes at their respective gym everynight.

I am really excited to see what danaher gonna come up with ibjjf GI strategies.

We could be in for something really interesting.

 

[Supereem]

Still doesn’t change the fact the people who excel in those mainstream sports rarely ever even try Bjj

And if you really think all of those “athletes” don’t have sufficient heart.. you’re ignorant

What about world class wrestlers who couldn't cut it in low level MMA because they lacked heart or chin? Their "superior athleticism" (whatever that means) counted for nothing.

It's a different animal.

Everyone here criticises the Diaz brothers for being unaheltic despite he fact they can run triathlons. But they will praise randleman as some lost opportunity because he was explosive for the first 3 minutes of a fight despite having zero cardio. The level one can play American Football does not dictate your "athleticism".

 

[Supereem]

I dont know anything about Ryan but I assume him and his brother probably starting training at 10 or 11, maybe earlier. If he came to the conclusion at 14, 15, 16 that he wanted to be a serious jiu jitsu competitor and compete at the highest level he probably prepared for this since that age and started training fulltime.

If that is the case it's not suprising at 21, 22 he is where he is. It's not unrealistic for him to reach his goals.

Not saying he is not talented but that doesn't necessarily mean he is a prodigy or some genius. Some of you guys make it seem he trained for 2 years and got high level good. And that goes for his brother too.

Hasn't he trained for 4-5 years?

I see Danaher always taking credit for his excelarated success on fb, but wasn't Ryan a "prodigy" way before meeting Danaher?

 

[jack36767]

What about world class wrestlers who couldn't cut it in low level MMA because they lacked heart or chin? Their "superior athleticism" (whatever that means) counted for nothing.

It's a different animal.

Everyone here criticises the Diaz brothers for being unaheltic despite he fact they can run triathlons. But they will praise randleman as some lost opportunity because he was explosive for the first 3 minutes of a fight despite having zero cardio. The level one can play American Football does not dictate your "athleticism".

Fighting is awesome because it lets multiple styles work. This doesn’t change my point. That’s why I’ve talked about all of the mainstream sports. Because the top tier don’t even look at mma. Especially when you consider how the Diaz brothers have have done against more athletic fighters who didn’t gas like Benson Henderson or GSP. It’s actually amazing that the same people who talk about different type of athleticism keep trying to just talk about one type of athlete when arguing with me

And again you’re just assuming.. I’m not just talking about the Kevin Randlemans or Mike Tysen types. I’m talking about the people similar in build, athleticism, size.. and mentality to a GSP, Benson Henderson, TJ Dilliashaw, MIghty Mouse, Jon Jones, Jacare, Rodolfo, Terere, Marcelo... BJ Penn who never even consider trying Bjj or mma or have literally never heard of it or barely pay attention to it even if they don’t make it pro and just play high school ball. This isn’t a controversial thing if you actually look at numbers of participants.

People can’t say that the main reason wrestlers do well in mma is just because they’re “good athletes” and then ignore the actual reality either. It’s not good or bad. It doesn’t s mean the Diaz brothers aren’t good fighters, it means that the best athletes of any kind DO NOT LOOK AT OR ENTER MMA

 

[rmongler]

Hasn't he trained for 4-5 years?

I see Danaher always taking credit for his excelarated success on fb, but wasn't Ryan a "prodigy" way before meeting Danaher?

If it was just one guy maybe, but Danny boy seems to be turning out a lot of competitive guys, and every year or so it seems like there's another new name coming up. First it was Tonon, then it was Cummings, Then it was Gordon, then Taza, then Nicky, and now we've got this Crelinsten kid in the mix too.

 

[nefti]

I'm not going to go back and forth with you on this. The timelines are clear. Lloyd has been in the game over a decade. The "scandal" is relatively recent. Prior to the "scandal" Lloyd's teams had been very successful and he was cutting edge in his training methods and marketing. Keenan had moved across the country to train there and was was unheard of prior to Lloyd developing him.You are changing the narrative and this convo will go in circles.

Lets ve honest lloyd is a horrible human

 

[nefti]

- In 2014 the whole Ghanian team threatened to not play in the World Cup over a financial dispute.
-Here are 10 players that decided to play for other Countries instead of their African team.
http://trueafrica.co/lists/10-african-born-footballers-chose-represent-european-nation/
-With a quick google you can see instances of players skipping friendlies and numerous disputes(mainly financial).

Most od those players immigrated to Europe in their youth.

 

[mataleaos]

If it was just one guy maybe, but Danny boy seems to be turning out a lot of competitive guys, and every year or so it seems like there's another new name coming up. First it was Tonon, then it was Cummings, Then it was Gordon, then Taza, then Nicky, and now we've got this Crelinsten kid in the mix too.

To be fair Oliver and Ethan also have spent a ton of time training under Firas Zahabi and I think he's their main instructor. I know Firas is a Danaher black belt himself but he's an amazing coach. Danaher is an amazing coach but he isn't the sole reason for Oliver and Ethan's success. I rolled with Oliver before he was regularly training with Danaher and he was still a an absolute machine even then.