Who is the best HW submission practicioner?

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  1. MMA__Analyst Blue Belt

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    Frank Mir:
    2nd most wins by submission in the UFC
    Most wins by submission in the UFC HW division
    Secured the first and only toehold in UFC history
    Fastest submission in UFC HW history (45 seconds)
    Awarded submission of the year two times for his submissions against Brock Lesnar and Big Nog.
    Half of his wins come by way of submission (9 of 18)
    Notable submissions over: Big Nog, Brock Lesnar, Tim Sylvia, and Tank abbot
    First person to ever submit Big Nog
    His submissions over Big Nog and Lesnar are amoung the most epic submissions in MMA history.

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    Fabricio Werdum:
    - 47% of wins come by way of submission
    - First person to beat Fedor ending his legendary decade of going undefeated, first person to submit Cain Velasquez, and one of only 2 people to submit Big Nog.
    - Notable submissions over: Fedor, Cain Velasquez, Big Nog, and Overeem.
    - His submissions over Fedor and Overeem are amoung the greatest submissions of all time, and his submission of fedor was unviersally regarded the submission of the year and the upset of the year.

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    Big Nog:
    61% of his wins are via submission
    Tied with Sakuraba for msot submission wins in Pride
    Notable submissions over: Mark Coleman, Dan Henderson, Bob Sapp, Cro Cop, Heath Herring, and Tim sylvia.
    Has one of the most notorious guards in MMA history, and the first HW to be submission master.
    His submission over Cro Cop and Bob Sapp are amoung the most epic submission victories in MMA History.
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    Fedor:
    47% of wins come by way of submission
    Notable submissions over: Mark coleman (x2), kevin randelman, mark hunt, matt lindland, and tim sylvia.
    His submissions over mark coleman and Kevin randleman are among the greatest submissions of all time.
    Especially his win over coleman, where Fedor showed the flexibility of a LW and like a sneaky assassin swiveled his hips and legs to get the armbar as mark coleman (the father of gnp) is gnp'ing fedor...
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    Possibly the best armbar in MMA

    Josh Barnett
    60% of wins come by way of submission
    He is the metamorsis heavyweight champion
    He was the 2009 World No Gi Jiu-Jitsu Championship Black Belt Gold Medalist
    Notable Submissions over: Semmy Schilt, Mark Hunt, Alexander emelienko, Andrei Arlovski, Hidehiko Yoshida, and Pawel nastula
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    I think everyone agree's this is the top 5 submission specialist in the heavyweight division, however what order do you rank them and who is #1.
     
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    Good question. The names listed above are all great. Might go with Werdum. Beat Fedor ( unbeatable at the time) and Nog with some slick submissions.
     
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    Frank is the most dangerous submission specialist as he'll always just "go for it".
    Sometimes he gets pounded in the face for his effort, and other times he breaks your arm.
    In terms of pure submissions it's probably Frank.

    In terms of overall grappling, which includes the defensive game just as much as the offensive game, Nog or Werdum.
    Both had things they were better at then the other but they were both well rounded and cerebral grapplers.
     
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    Crazy how he is one of less than 15-20 people to ever secure a D'arce choke in the UFC....
     
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    Werdum.

    He subbed 1/2 of the guys in the OP and never got ground and pounded like Mir.
     
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    By actual pedigree I would say Werdum.

    By actual octagon performances, I'd go with Mir.
     
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    1. Werdum
    2. Big Nog
    3. Frank Mir
    4. Fedor
    5. Barnett

    2 and 3 are so close IMO and it can oscillate back and forth. I would love to see young prime Big Nog vs Mir and see how the grappling exchanges are like
     
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    Werdum and Mir. Both are equally good in my view.
    You do not want to go to the ground with these guys. Werdum is all around better as Mir tends to get pummeled before getting a sub but the question was about submissions.
     
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    Tough one to call. I'd have to say Mir though.
     
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    When it comes to technique, Werdum is the better grappler and it's not even close. He is as high level as it gets on the ground. He would toy with any of those mentioned in a grappling or straight up bjj (with a gi on) match. As to his accomplishments in MMA, I think they speak for themselves. The man subbed Fedor, Velasquez, Big Nog and Overeem.
     
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    I always wondered why he decided to stand and throw with so many good strikers because schaubjitsu is no joke on the ground.
     
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    Good post ts I enjoy reading it. I would have to say Werdum because he submitted the best fighters in their prime
     
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    Why do you say that? He's a brown belt with only one submission victory. Given that one victory is a D'arce choke, but still
     
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    method=get&s=methodgetsfabriciowerdumsmilemmanewspldisplayimage.jpg Hands down
     
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    Mir and it isnt close
     
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    Should at least mention Oleksiy.
    55 wins 45 via sub. That makes it 82% of his wins by subs.
    holds the record for most Ezekiel choke wins in MMA competition, with ten.
     
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