Who has the grappling advantage in Tony vs Khabib?

Who has the better ground game

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I voted Khabib just based on physical strength of his grappling, would give Tony a vote based on the versatility and creative ways Tony can use his grappling...
 
fightfan70 said:
um yes.
if kaboob could not secure a takedown how the fuck could he be better at grappling.
he lost that fight imo
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Offensive effort is always scored more than defense. Khabib was much more offensive. At worst they are marginal equals at no point did Tibau out grapple Khabib.
 
Dude, eagles eat kookooies all the time.
 
Threetrees said:
Tony Ferguson is a tenth planet blackbelt, with a college wrestling pedigree who has a style that works perfectly in MMA
He has an active highguard, loves to threaten submissions from mission control, and has talked about seeing the guard as a "reverse mount" when he thinks about striking from the bottom
But despite his comfort level off his back, he rarely ever settles there, often to choose to work sweeps, butterfly guard, deep half and wrestling style scrambles to constantly make his opponents work to hold him down.
Lastly even when he's not slowly setting up traps and submissions, he has killer instinct and will jump on the neck when sprawled almost instantly, and will do the same when working to his feet as well. His front headlock series is quick, effectively and creative.

It's worth mentioning that his elbows and upkicks constantly create a maze of offense for his opponents to work through, and will probably be extra dangerous against Khabib who works a lot from tripod (knees off the ground) leaving him a legal target for kicks



On the other side we have Khabib who is a master of sport in Sambo, a blackbelt in Judo, and a godly wrestler as well. I think Khabib's freestyle wrestling tactics are underrated (and underused) and his clinch might be a bit overrated but against Tony who doesn't seem to care much about TDD at all this probably won't matter and I don't expect him to struggle to take Tony down early and often

Khabib has top control that along with Maia is probably the best the sport has ever seen, he can strike effectively while stacking an opponent in guard, but still completely control their hips at the same time - it's wild as fuck to watch. His GnP is ruthless, and fighters visibly break when he starts hitting shots. HIs passing game is amazing as well, and he likes to get to half guard or side control before taking the back and wrist-riding his way to more GnP. He transitions from punching, to passing, to striking better than anyone else in the sport and while he rarely goes for them his submission game is nothing to fuck with


Who has the advantage on the ground in this one?
My gut says Khabib will dominate on the mat early, but if he can't wear Tony down form the top he'll run out of steam over 25 minutes and find himself at a disadvantage. Still though, I think his GnP will be too much and even if he loses late rounds he'll at least win a decision
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Khabib until proven otherwise......
 
Khabib is a better wrestler by far. He has all the takedowns since joining aka, and his wrestling has gotten even better. I think Tony is good but got mounted by Lee in 1st round. Khabibs smothering gnp will likely dictate this fight. I am not sure if tony can slip a slick sub in or not, but don't see it happening. Anyone can make a mistake and lose, so it is possible. Tony and khabib have great cardio and we will see who's is better. If khabib is on top I really think he will wear tony down. When that happens, the sub attempts stop and Tony won't have a way out. I see it being a 4-1 rounds for khabib. The way he strikes is odd, but khabib uses it well to back people up to the fence and go for the body lock. This should give Tony a chance to counter, but he doesn't have KO power in 1 punch. I also think khabib has a more powerful punch. Great fight, can't wait.
 
wilKO said:
Not sure if serious. Tony has the striking advantage. Khabib has a massive grappling advantage. Tony doesn't want this to be a grappling match.
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Tony can do damage on the ground if he can gas Khabib with an active guard
 
That's a lot letters; I'm too drunk to read it all.

P.S. I voted in the poll...
 
Threetrees said:
That's a good point
Do you think Khabib can finish Tony on the mat? And do you think that one guy is likely to tire before the other?

I go back and forth on the second question, I think Khabib can go for a full 25, but I think Tony scrambling and diving on leglocks every 15 seconds could tire anyone out trying to defend that
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I think the opposite. Tony has proved he can go 5 tough rounds (at altitude against RDA). Khabib has only ever fought 3 rounds if i'm not mistaken?
 
tbulls123 said:
Even though tony has amazing jiujitsu, he'll have some trouble with khabib on the ground. Khabib has the grappling advantage and is no slouch at jiujitsu too. But, it's gonna come down to who can have the better endurance to survive and win the fight. I'm predicting a 5 rounder war.
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would love to see this play out over 5 rounds...
 
KHabib the Mauler.
 
No even? It might not happen this way, but their grappling I feel will cancel each others out. Their styles are so different that they might work against the other. Or might not.
 
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