Who has the best hands in Muay Thai and Kickboxing?

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who has the best technique, and who do u think would win under boxing rules against eachother?
doesnt matter if u wanna answer for p4p all time or for current of a single division.
Just generally interested.
 
Veraphol Sahaprom
Pornsawan Kiatpramuk
Denkaosaen Kaowichit
Sirimongkon Singmanasak
Jomthong Chuwattana
Pichit & Pichitnoi Sitbangprachan
Muangchai Kittikasem
Chatchai Sasakun

And many, many more...
 
All time = Samart. Currently active I wouldn't say there is a clear pick. Maybe Holzken because of his pro experience.
 
All time = Samart.

I highly doubt Samart is the best boxer to come out of muay thai or kickfighting in general. His initial boxing career wasn't that long.

Some amateur fighters probably deserve mention (Tony brought up Chatchai). Winning a medal at the olympics or world championships is probably as difficult or more difficult than winning an alphabet soup title.
 
Veeraphol had the best boxing career of the muay thai crossovers didn't he? Unless we count khaosai galaxy type guys.

Id also add Issara Sakkreerin who beat dekkers for the lumpinee title. He placed 3rd at the 1992 olympics for boxing.
 
Guys like Samart Payakaroon, Khaosai Galaxy and others who have competed and succeeded both in elite pro boxing and elite pro kickboxing/MT should be expected have a strong advantage with hands, as well as every other area of boxing.

As long as they can effectively implement both against their opponent, they are generally at the advantage in the fight as well.

I could imagine Samart and Khaosai beasting top kickboxing divisions such as Glory and K-1. Smart's defensive abilities were beyond those of anyone I can think of in modern kickboxing/MT today - Petrosyan included. Slick movement and speedy reactions made him a difficult target to box against. He also countered extremely well. This also was reflected in Muay Thai, as he often rendered his opponents' kicks useless with split-second teeps. Petro was pretty good at stopping/avoiding kicks, but I still give Samart the reactive edge. Prime Samart would be a challenging to extremely difficult matchup for a striker of any style.

There are exceptions; some of the best fighters in kickboxing today and past include those who have received extensive boxing training complementary to their kickboxing. I'd think of Giorgio Petrosyan, Tyrone Spong, Rico Verhoeven, Nieky Holzken, Jomthong Chuttawana to name a few. Masato was a skilled amateur boxer before he transitioned to a kickboxing career. He ended up knocking out Virgil Kalakoda, who honestly wasn't my favourite reference for a boxer in K-1, but had more than enough boxing experience to make him dangerous. Zack Mwekassa wasn't a significant pro boxer by any means, but he was good enough to make it to the finals in Glory. Most of these

Traditional boxing is reintegrating itself again into mainstream kickboxing again, somewhat like the American kickboxing days of the old, and even the early K-1 days. Just that champs will always be champs, and being amazing at multiple combat sports really brings hell loose.

TLDR; I think all time I'd say any of a smaller number of fighters who have won prestigious world titles in both boxing and Muay Thai. Even prime Somrak Kamsing would badly outbox most of the kickboxers today.
 
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Guys like Samart Payakaroon, Khaosai Galaxy and others who have competed and succeeded both in elite pro boxing and elite pro kickboxing/MT should be expected have a strong advantage with hands, as well as every other area of boxing.

As long as they can effectively implement both against their opponent, they are generally at the advantage in the fight as well.

I could imagine Samart and Khaosai beasting top kickboxing divisions such as Glory and K-1. Smart's defensive abilities were beyond those of anyone I can think of in modern kickboxing/MT today - Petrosyan included. Slick movement and speedy reactions made him a difficult target to box against. He also countered extremely well. This also was reflected in Muay Thai, as he often rendered his opponents' kicks useless with split-second teeps. Petro was pretty good at stopping/avoiding kicks, but I still give Samart the reactive edge. Prime Samart would be a challenging to extremely difficult matchup for a striker of any style.

There are exceptions; some of the best fighters in kickboxing today and past include those who have received extensive boxing training complementary to their kickboxing. I'd think of Giorgio Petrosyan, Tyrone Spong, Rico Verhoeven, Nieky Holzken, Jomthong Chuttawana to name a few. Masato was a skilled amateur boxer before he transitioned to a kickboxing career. He ended up knocking out Virgil Kalakoda, who honestly wasn't my favourite reference for a boxer in K-1, but had more than enough boxing experience to make him dangerous. Zack Mwekassa wasn't a significant pro boxer by any means, but he was good enough to make it to the finals in Glory. Most of these

Traditional boxing is reintegrating itself again into mainstream kickboxing again, somewhat like the American kickboxing days of the old, and even the early K-1 days. Just that champs will always be champs, and being amazing at multiple combat sports really brings hell loose.

TLDR; I think all time I'd say any of a smaller number of fighters who have won prestigious world titles in both boxing and Muay Thai. Even prime Somrak Kamsing would badly outbox most of the kickboxers today.
As far as I know, Khaosai never competed at anything close to the elite level as a muay thai fighter.

Jomthong Chuwattana is not one of the best kickboxers today and has lost to all the best fighters he's fought.
 
Guys like Samart Payakaroon, Khaosai Galaxy and others who have competed and succeeded both in elite pro boxing and elite pro kickboxing/MT should be expected have a strong advantage with hands, as well as every other area of boxing.
But it doesn't necessarily work like that. Kickfighting and boxing are two completely different sports. There have been guys who started in kickfighting, then went to boxing and had success, and then gone back to kickfighting and looked like they have no real "boxing" advantage over their competition at all; or at least not to the extent that their pedigree might lead you to naively expect.

 
I remember thinking that Superbank would bust out some slick hands after he spent a year or so pursuing boxing but nope, same old superbank.
 
As far as I know, Khaosai never competed at anything close to the elite level as a muay thai fighter.

Jomthong Chuwattana is not one of the best kickboxers today and has lost to all the best fighters he's fought.

Dunno bout that i'd take jomthong over the majority of 70kg fighters. But his boxing stint didn't really greatly improve his hands as far muay thai goes, he always had solid boxing.
 
I remember thinking that Superbank would bust out some slick hands after he spent a year or so pursuing boxing but nope, same old superbank.
And Superbank had already won a bunch of boxing tournaments as a junior well before he tried to pursue the Olympics.

This is why it's stupid for people to criticise the "boxing" of muay thai fighters (or competitors from any combat sport) based on what they show in the context of muay thai. You can't tell for sure how well someone can box until they actually compete in boxing. MMA people actually have the right idea in this respect. They're careful to distinguish "MMA grappling" from just wrestling or jiujitsu or whatever. They realise (or at least some of them do) that GSP wouldn't be able to compete at the international level in wrestling just because he took down Hendricks and Koscheck a few times. And on the flip side they don't demand that Yoel Romero give back his olympic and world medals because he was taken down a bunch by Brunson. People don't seem to apply the same standard to stand up for whatever reason.
 
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As far as I know, Khaosai never competed at anything close to the elite level as a muay thai fighter.

Jomthong Chuwattana is not one of the best kickboxers today and has lost to all the best fighters he's fought.

Jomthong just beat the former Glory world champion in Davit Kiria...he also holds win over Qiu Jianliang and would have won WLF tourney back in 2015 if it had not been rigged.
 
I highly doubt Samart is the best boxer to come out of muay thai or kickfighting in general. His initial boxing career wasn't that long.

Some amateur fighters probably deserve mention (Tony brought up Chatchai). Winning a medal at the olympics or world championships is probably as difficult or more difficult than winning an alphabet soup title.


Why would you "highly doubt" a world boxing champion?
 
Samart probably might be the best. he also made his boxing work in MT. His first loss in boxing was to an ATG at that weight.

Khaosai ranks better in the division he fought at (he is one or arguably even the best at that division) but he fought at a weaker division than samart and didn't have to fight someone like Fenech.

In kickboxing it has to be Petrosyan.
 
Samart probably might be the best. he also made his boxing work in MT.

That doesn't answer the question. Moreover, it seems to me that Veeraphol and Saensak's "boxing" worked just fine in the context of muay thai.
 
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Jomthong just beat the former Glory world champion in Davit Kiria...he also holds win over Qiu Jianliang and would have won WLF tourney back in 2015 if it had not been rigged.
That still doesn't make him one of the best kickboxers today and he's still lost to the best fighters he's faced.
 
I think there is a difference between who uses their hands most effectively in muay thai/KB and who is better under boxing rules.
 
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