Who do you think won these close fights
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Diego and Leornad Garcia won all of those fights man.
Great thread.
GSP-Hendricks: GSP 1,3,5. 4/5 rounds of that fight have a clear winner, but round 1 was close and could have gone either way. I bet money on GSP and was confident at the end that I was going to win. Like I said, I can see how round 1 could be scored differently, and it wouldn't be an outrage either way. GSP correctly won under the 10 point must system though.
Conor-Nate II: Conor round 1, 2, and 4. Don't even see how it's debatable. Nate had a surge in the last minute of round 2 in which he didn't actually connect with many clean shots whereas Conor dropped Nate 2 or 3 times and soundly out-struck him up until that point. He was doing good in round 3 until getting Teed off on (in which Nate landed some good shots, but never rocked/stunned/dropped), preventing that from being a 10-8 round.
Rampage-Machida: Machida rounds 1 and 3. Although rounds 1 and 2 weren't very eventful, Machida's leg kicks were the only strikes of any significance that landed in round 1. Yes, Rampage was advancing, but I'd rather retreat from Rampage than get kicked in the leg by Machida. Believe Rampage landed a decent punch or two in round 2 that swayed it in his favour (in my eyes).
Lawler-Condit: One of the closest fights on this list. When I watched it live I thought Condit, when I re-watched I thought Lawler. I'll have to watch it again someday and update this response.
Gus-Jones: Gustafsson is my favourite LHW and I really don't see how he could have won. Pretty clear 2, 4, 5 for Jones. I did score the DC fight for Gus, but that's neither here nor there.
Condit-Diaz: Condit 3 rounds to 2. Same reasoning as Machida beat Rampage (imo). I would rather walk away from Nick Diaz than get kicked in the leg by Carlos Condit.
BJ-Frankie I: Edgar. This was right when I was getting into MMA, and the only previous time I'd seen Penn fight was when he mutilated Diego Sanchez at UFC 107. I'd never heard of Frankie Edgar, and me and my friends thought he was gonna get smashed. Boy, were we wrong. Competitive scrap for sure. My one buddy I watched it with was a huge Penn hugger (and the reason I started watching MMA), and even he thought BJ was gonna lose before the decision was read. BJ clearly thought the same thing, and we were all right. I'd rank this with Lawler-Condit as being the closest fights on the list, but their subsequent bouts left 0 doubt as to who the superior fighter is.
Shogun-Machida I: Shogun, but by a way narrower margin than everyone says. Would be a good one to watch again. I remember watching it a 2nd time and understanding how Machida got the nod.
GSP-BJ I: Just watched this fight. It doesn't belong on this list. Ridiculously cut-and-dry rounds 2 and 3 for Georges. Even round 1 is way overrated for BJ. Penn was out-boxing him at first and landed a grazing punch just on the tip of GSP's nose that broke it. GSP took control at the end of the round finished it on top. Next two rounds really weren't that competitive (especially the 2nd), with GSP doing his thing and controlling/dictating all of it. BJ was tellingly dejected after the fight, and Eddie Bravo (who UFC had score fights for the audience at the time) had GSP winning. The one and only judge who scored it for Baby Jay? None other than Cecil Fucking Peoples.....the same clown who mystifyingly scored the first Penn-Edgar match 50-45.....tells you all you need to know lol.
EDIT: @XThe GreatestX thanks for a refreshing and actually interesting thread. A person could easily make a couple more volumes of this. Who did you score Whittaker-Romero II for? Curious cus I agree with most of your assessments other than a couple glaring exceptions (BJ-GSP I, that's a really puzzling one)
GSP-Hendricks: GSP 1,3,5. 4/5 rounds of that fight have a clear winner, but round 1 was close and could have gone either way. I bet money on GSP and was confident at the end that I was going to win. Like I said, I can see how round 1 could be scored differently, and it wouldn't be an outrage either way. GSP correctly won under the 10 point must system though.
Conor-Nate II: Conor round 1, 2, and 4. Don't even see how it's debatable. Nate had a surge in the last minute of round 2 in which he didn't actually connect with many clean shots whereas Conor dropped Nate 2 or 3 times and soundly out-struck him up until that point. He was doing good in round 3 until getting Teed off on (in which Nate landed some good shots, but never rocked/stunned/dropped), preventing that from being a 10-8 round.
Rampage-Machida: Machida rounds 1 and 3. Although rounds 1 and 2 weren't very eventful, Machida's leg kicks were the only strikes of any significance that landed in round 1. Yes, Rampage was advancing, but I'd rather retreat from Rampage than get kicked in the leg by Machida. Believe Rampage landed a decent punch or two in round 2 that swayed it in his favour (in my eyes).
Lawler-Condit: One of the closest fights on this list. When I watched it live I thought Condit, when I re-watched I thought Lawler. I'll have to watch it again someday and update this response.
Gus-Jones: Gustafsson is my favourite LHW and I really don't see how he could have won. Pretty clear 2, 4, 5 for Jones. I did score the DC fight for Gus, but that's neither here nor there.
Condit-Diaz: Condit 3 rounds to 2. Same reasoning as Machida beat Rampage (imo). I would rather walk away from Nick Diaz than get kicked in the leg by Carlos Condit.
BJ-Frankie I: Edgar. This was right when I was getting into MMA, and the only previous time I'd seen Penn fight was when he mutilated Diego Sanchez at UFC 107. I'd never heard of Frankie Edgar, and me and my friends thought he was gonna get smashed. Boy, were we wrong. Competitive scrap for sure. My one buddy I watched it with was a huge Penn hugger (and the reason I started watching MMA), and even he thought BJ was gonna lose before the decision was read. BJ clearly thought the same thing, and we were all right. I'd rank this with Lawler-Condit as being the closest fights on the list, but their subsequent bouts left 0 doubt as to who the superior fighter is.
Shogun-Machida I: Shogun, but by a way narrower margin than everyone says. Would be a good one to watch again. I remember watching it a 2nd time and understanding how Machida got the nod.
GSP-BJ I: Just watched this fight. It doesn't belong on this list. Ridiculously cut-and-dry rounds 2 and 3 for Georges. Even round 1 is way overrated for BJ. Penn was out-boxing him at first and landed a grazing punch just on the tip of GSP's nose that broke it. GSP took control at the end of the round finished it on top. Next two rounds really weren't that competitive (especially the 2nd), with GSP doing his thing and controlling/dictating all of it. BJ was tellingly dejected after the fight, and Eddie Bravo (who UFC had score fights for the audience at the time) had GSP winning. The one and only judge who scored it for Baby Jay? None other than Cecil Fucking Peoples.....the same clown who mystifyingly scored the first Penn-Edgar match 50-45.....tells you all you need to know lol.
EDIT: @XThe GreatestX thanks for a refreshing and actually interesting thread. A person could easily make a couple more volumes of this. Who did you score Whittaker-Romero II for? Curious cus I agree with most of your assessments other than a couple glaring exceptions (BJ-GSP I, that's a really puzzling one)
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If you HAVE to give a round to someone then I guess so, but IMO the first two rounds were 10-10s and the 3rd was all Machida.
That fight is an excellent example of why 10-10s should be used more.
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GSP
Conor
Machida
Lawler
Jones
Condit
Frankie
Shogun
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Conor
Machida
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Hendricks
Coner
Machida
Condit
Jones
Diaz
Frankie
Shogun
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Coner
Machida
Condit
Jones
Diaz
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GSP- Hendricks
80% johnny for sure
Conor- Nate II
Conor
Lawler-Condit
Lawler
Gus-Jones
Jones
Condit-Diaz
Condit
Bj-Frankie I
bj I had it 4-1 terrible decision
Shogun-Machida I
Machida super close
BJ-GSP 1
Bj gsp went to the hospital
80% johnny for sure
Conor- Nate II
Conor
Lawler-Condit
Lawler
Gus-Jones
Jones
Condit-Diaz
Condit
Bj-Frankie I
bj I had it 4-1 terrible decision
Shogun-Machida I
Machida super close
BJ-GSP 1
Bj gsp went to the hospital
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Nate did nothing close to a 10-8 round. If he gets one, Conor CERTAINLY gets one.
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GSP- Hendricks
GSP 3-2. Granted it was a very close fight but if my memory serves me right, Hendricks coasted and lost the last round which cost him. Wish we got a rematch.
Conor- Nate II
3-2 Conor. Under the new scoring system those points wouldn't have even been close. Nate had his moments but didn't do enough in that 4th round to win it.
Rampage- Machida
I remember thinking Machida won but granted haven't watched it in a while. 2-1 Machida?
Lawler-Condit
3-2 Lawler. Condit landed more but Lawler landed the harder shots. IIRC it was 2-2 going into the 5th and Lawler just wanted it more.
Gus-Jones
3-2 Jones. Could arguably be 4-1, I think people were just shocked Jones wasn't dominating someone so they assumed he was winning. Elbow in the 4th round which rocked Gus won him that round, plus he won round 2 and 5.
Condit-Diaz
3-2 Diaz. Kind of like the Lawler fight I think Diaz did more with what he landed, where as Condit landed more but was less significant.
Bj-Frankie I
3-2 BJ. Shocked Edgar won that, but the next 2 fights settled everything.
Shogun-Machida I
3-2 Shogun. Shogun just did more than Machida, still not sure how he didn't won, thankfully that KO in the rematch was justice.
BJ-GSP 1
GSP 2-1. IIRC BJ gassed and GSP just did more than him. Close but clear.
GSP 3-2. Granted it was a very close fight but if my memory serves me right, Hendricks coasted and lost the last round which cost him. Wish we got a rematch.
Conor- Nate II
3-2 Conor. Under the new scoring system those points wouldn't have even been close. Nate had his moments but didn't do enough in that 4th round to win it.
Rampage- Machida
I remember thinking Machida won but granted haven't watched it in a while. 2-1 Machida?
Lawler-Condit
3-2 Lawler. Condit landed more but Lawler landed the harder shots. IIRC it was 2-2 going into the 5th and Lawler just wanted it more.
Gus-Jones
3-2 Jones. Could arguably be 4-1, I think people were just shocked Jones wasn't dominating someone so they assumed he was winning. Elbow in the 4th round which rocked Gus won him that round, plus he won round 2 and 5.
Condit-Diaz
3-2 Diaz. Kind of like the Lawler fight I think Diaz did more with what he landed, where as Condit landed more but was less significant.
Bj-Frankie I
3-2 BJ. Shocked Edgar won that, but the next 2 fights settled everything.
Shogun-Machida I
3-2 Shogun. Shogun just did more than Machida, still not sure how he didn't won, thankfully that KO in the rematch was justice.
BJ-GSP 1
GSP 2-1. IIRC BJ gassed and GSP just did more than him. Close but clear.
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Hendricks
Conor (small margin but yeah)
Rampage - Machida: Borderline Rampage or a draw.
Gus - Jones: The way I remember it I'd give it a draw.
Diaz - Condit: Nick Diaz
BJ - Edgar: I think BJ deserved the win in that one.
Shogun - Machida: Shogun I think.
BJ - GSP: I can't remember.
My memory is a bit dissappointing I guess.
EDIT: Couldn't find any videos so this is all I can do. I haven't seen Lawler - Condit so I've left it out.
Also, I forgot to mention that I don't score them by every single strike since point fighting and timidity are a known problem in the UFC.
Conor (small margin but yeah)
Rampage - Machida: Borderline Rampage or a draw.
Gus - Jones: The way I remember it I'd give it a draw.
Diaz - Condit: Nick Diaz
BJ - Edgar: I think BJ deserved the win in that one.
Shogun - Machida: Shogun I think.
BJ - GSP: I can't remember.
My memory is a bit dissappointing I guess.
EDIT: Couldn't find any videos so this is all I can do. I haven't seen Lawler - Condit so I've left it out.
Also, I forgot to mention that I don't score them by every single strike since point fighting and timidity are a known problem in the UFC.
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I still wonder if there is anyone that thinks Nate got robbed in the 2nd fight that wasn't exclusively rooting for Nate/against Conor. I have a hard time believing there exist any truly objective observers of that fight that gave it to Nate.
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GSP- Hendricks
3-2 Hendricks. Indefensible decision, although Hendricks was stupid for slacking off at the end.
Conor- Nate II
3-2 Conor. I don't particularly understand the furor for this one and I was rooting for Nate.Conor 1, 2, 4.
Rampage- Machida
2-1 Machida or a DRAW. Tough to call. Rampage won round 2. Machida won round 3. The first was a staring contest that Machida likely got the better of, but I'd be fine if the judges ruled it a draw.
Lawler-Condit
3-2 Robbie. Super close fight, though. Would not have been shocked to see Condit get the nod.
Gus-Jones
3-2 or 4-1 Jones. Another overinflated debate for no reason. The only clearcut round for Gus was round 1. Bones clearly won 2, 4, 5. 3 was a toss-up.
Condit-Diaz
3-2 Diaz. 1, 2, 5. You should lose points for running away.
BJ-Frankie I
3-2 BJ. Possibly the most puzzling decision given the judges scorecards.
Shogun-Machida I
3-2 or 4-1 Shogun. Not much action but he was EASILY the better fighter that night. Felt horrible until he finished Machida in the rematch.
BJ-GSP 1
2-1 GSP. BJ did more damage, but going by UFC scoring, GSP takes rounds 2 and 3.
3-2 Hendricks. Indefensible decision, although Hendricks was stupid for slacking off at the end.
Conor- Nate II
3-2 Conor. I don't particularly understand the furor for this one and I was rooting for Nate.Conor 1, 2, 4.
Rampage- Machida
2-1 Machida or a DRAW. Tough to call. Rampage won round 2. Machida won round 3. The first was a staring contest that Machida likely got the better of, but I'd be fine if the judges ruled it a draw.
Lawler-Condit
3-2 Robbie. Super close fight, though. Would not have been shocked to see Condit get the nod.
Gus-Jones
3-2 or 4-1 Jones. Another overinflated debate for no reason. The only clearcut round for Gus was round 1. Bones clearly won 2, 4, 5. 3 was a toss-up.
Condit-Diaz
3-2 Diaz. 1, 2, 5. You should lose points for running away.
BJ-Frankie I
3-2 BJ. Possibly the most puzzling decision given the judges scorecards.
Shogun-Machida I
3-2 or 4-1 Shogun. Not much action but he was EASILY the better fighter that night. Felt horrible until he finished Machida in the rematch.
BJ-GSP 1
2-1 GSP. BJ did more damage, but going by UFC scoring, GSP takes rounds 2 and 3.
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Thank you sir
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Well Garcia definitely should have won the Max Holloway fight...just saying.
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Yup saw that fight live. Everyone in the whole arena thought BJ won 2-1. Even when BJ was on his back, he was pulling guard, mission control, and going for submissions. GSP did jack shit but get bloodied up on the feet and tryy to dry hump BJ.
