Social White Women Wore Hoodies to a Tennessee Mall to Prove Its Hoodie Policy Only Targets Black Men

[nac386]

Initiating physical violence and shooting people is also illegal and immoral, but I guess that is not as terrible as trying to prevent that by targeting the group that is responsible

Are you seriously advocating right now for a mall's right to create a special set of rules that only apply to black people? I'm trying to pin this down. You're leaving very little else for me to interpret here.

By the way, that is a yes or no question. No more deflections, you need address the actual issue that is being discussed. I don't even know what your stance is right now.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Are you seriously advocating right now for a mall's right to create a special set of rules that only apply to black people? I'm trying to pin this down. You're leaving very little else for me to interpret here.

By the way, that is a yes or no question. No more deflections, you need address the actual issue that is being discussed. I don't even know what your stance is right now.

I am not sure why you are having such a hard time understanding where I am coming from. The mall has a history with a specific demographic involved in physical violence and shootings. Why is the silly "Muh Racism" being considered a bigger problem than the history of violence and shootings? If you want to stop a mall from targeting a specific demographic, then that specific demographic should stop with the physical violence and shootings. It is bloody ridiculous that we now live in a time when people are not held accountable for their awful behaviour and when accountability and consequences are imposed it is considered racist.

 

[nac386]

I am not sure why you are having such a hard time understanding where I am coming from. The mall has a history with a specific demographic involved in physical violence and shootings. Why is the silly "Muh Racism" being considered a bigger problem than the history of violence and shootings? If you want to stop a mall from targeting a specific demographic, then that specific demographic should stop with the physical violence and shootings. It is bloody ridiculous that we now live in a time when people are not held accountable for their awful behaviour and when accountability and consequences are imposed it is considered racist.

Yes or no.

A mall should be able to make a specific set of rules that only apply to black people.

It sounds like you are repeatedly saying yes, but trying not to just say yes. Once you respond to my question, so that I know your stance, I'll respond to the rest of your post.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Yes or no.

A mall should be able to make a specific set of rules that only apply to black people.

It sounds like you are repeatedly saying yes, but trying not to just say yes. Once you respond to my question, so that I know your stance, I'll respond to the rest of your post.

A mall should be able to make a specific set of rules that applies to a problematic demographic regardless of skin colour. If it is young white males who dress like the Proud Boys involved in shooting and violence at the mall, then it is understandable that security keeps a closer eye on young white males who dress like the Proud Boys. I am not sure why a mall should not be allowed to protect its customers and its profits from a specific demographic (regardless of that demographic's skin colour) that has a history of physical violence and shootings.

 

[nac386]

A mall should be able to make a specific set of rules that applies to a problematic demographic regardless of skin colour. If it is young white males who dress like the Proud Boys involved in shooting and violence at the mall, then it is understandable that security keeps a closer eye on young white males who dress like the Proud Boys. I am not sure why a mall should not be allowed to protect its customers and its profits from a specific demographic (regardless of that demographic's skin colour) that has a history of physical violence and shootings.

First of all, because that is 100% illegal. You cannot discriminate against people based on race. You are basically saying, "The mall should just make rules that only apply to black people, since they have problems with black people." That is a textbook example of racial discrimination. "Only black people can't wear hoodies here." Entirely illegal and immoral.

Second, why not just apply the same rule to everyone to combat the same issue? Why would you even need to make a rule only apply to one race? There is no need for that at all. You make a rule that addresses the issue, and you apply it to everybody. If you're going to ban hoodies, ban them for everybody. The result is the same, and you're not breaking the law or mistreating innocent people.

I'm not going to sit here and explain to you why racially discriminatory policies are immoral and illegal. You're a grown man, and if you do not already understand that, then I'm certainly not going to be able to explain it to you on an Internet forum.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

First of all, because that is 100% illegal. You cannot discriminate against people based on race. You are basically saying, "The mall should just make rules that only apply to black people, since they have problems with black people." That is like a textbook example of racial discrimination.

Second, why not just apply the same rule to everyone to combat the same issue? Why would you even need to make a rule only apply to one race? There is no need for that at all. You make a rule that addresses the issue, and you apply it to everybody.

I'm not going to sit here and explain to you why racially discriminatory policies are immoral and illegal. You're a grown man, and if you do not already understand that, then I'm certainly not going to be able to explain it to you on an Internet forum.

I should not have to explain to you why violence and shootings are worse than a mall implementing a policy with the intention of curbing the violence and shootings.

 

[nac386]

I should not have to explain to you why violence and shootings are worse than a mall implementing a policy with the intention of curbing the violence and shootings.

Nobody ever claimed they were. You're just making that up entirely. It has nothing to do with this thread, and it has nothing to do with anything that anybody said. It's a textbook strawman that you are somehow using to justify illegal business practices.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Nobody ever claimed they were. You're just making that up entirely. It has nothing to do with this thread, and it has nothing to do with anything that anybody said. It's a textbook strawman that you are somehow using to justify illegal business practices.

The violence and shootings have everything to do with the thread. The video of the news report said since 2015 the mall has had issues with physical violence and shootings which is probably why the mall started targeting young black males wearing hoodies in the first place. I doubt it was middle-aged soccer moms starting fights and shooting people. If that were the case, then the mall would have been targeting middle-aged soccer moms.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/11/wh...-tennessee-malls-policy-targets-black-people/

According to Raw Story, the initial incident that garnered national attention was captured by Kevin McKenzie, a black former reporter for the Commercial Appeal, who noted that he started recording the incident at the Wolfchase Galleria in Memphis, Tenn., after watching a white security guard tailing the group of young men like “he was a cat after mice.”

“For reasons I didn’t hear, one young man, in what appeared to be a nylon blue and white jacket with a hood that was not on his head, was handcuffed by a Memphis officer and led away as my video rolled,” McKenzie told the Memphis Flyer. “That’s when a black sheriff’s deputy approached me and told me I also was breaking the mall’s rules.”

After being issued a misdemeanor citation, McKenzie added that the mall’s policy was discriminatory, but Indianapolis-based Simon Property Group, which owns the shopping center, said the policy was to make sure people felt safe—and by “people,” they meant white people, and by “safe” they meant absent of black men.

So several white women decided to use their privilege to see if the rules really applied to all mall patrons and wore hoodies to see if they would be escorted off the premises.



“Sometimes our hoods were up, sometimes our hoods were down,” Arthur wrote. “If a security guard spotted us with our hoods up, they very politely asked us to take them down. One guard said it was because they need to be able to identify everybody’s faces. So we said, ‘Sure,’ took them down, walked on, and put the hoods back up a bit later. Repeat. No threats. Point made.”

McKenzie told the TV station the young black men who were asked to leave the mall didn’t have their hoods pulled over their heads before police got involved, and Ennis said she and her friends had proved a point.

I don't understand why this is being enforced by law. Police showed up and arrested a black man and then gave a white woman a misdemeanor citation. I can understand mall security enforcing the policy and perhaps cops being called if they refuse to cooperate, but having this enforced by police is ridiculous.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

The fuck does that target black men?

White highschoolers wear literally nothing but hoodies every single day through fall and winter, and their girlfriends steal 3/4 of them for themselves

Did get kept out of a bar/club with my European friend once (intern years). No shorts past knees to keep gang bangers out I would imagine. German style apparently is like capri looking things for guys. Pale as fuck German got kept out by a big black bouncer for breaking the no hood wear rules lol

Read the story. Look at how it's being enforced.

 

[Ripskater]

Young black men who congregate at the mall can help this situation by not mimicking gang/criminal culture by not wearing hoodies and by pulling their pants up where they should be.

 

[Lustercross]

Conservatives really are shameless racists as proven by this thread. I have no problem with this rule as long as it’s enforced consistently. But when you use it to harass black people, that is just wrong.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Conservatives really are shameless racists as proven by this thread. I have no problem with this rule as long as it’s enforced consistently. But when you use it to harass black people, that is just wrong.

You are happy with young black males initiating violence and shooting up the mall as long as we pretend old grannies and middle-aged soccer moms are also responsible for the violence and shooting at the mall? There is obviously a reason the mall is targeting young black males. The news report stated that violence and shootings have become a problem in recent years.

 

[Beastman09]

You are happy with young black males initiating violence and shooting up the mall as long as we pretend old grannies and middle-aged soccer moms are also responsible for the violence and shooting at the mall? There is obviously a reason the mall is targeting young black males. The news report stated that violence and shootings have become a problem in recent years.

Discrimination based on race is illegal in this country. Don't know what else to tell ya bud.

Move along.

 

[nac386]

The violence and shootings have everything to do with the thread. The video of the news report said since 2015 the mall has had issues with physical violence and shootings which is probably why the mall started targeting young black males wearing hoodies in the first place. I doubt it was middle-aged soccer moms starting fights and shooting people. If that were the case, then the mall would have been targeting middle-aged soccer moms.

You cannot create rules that only black people have to follow in response to crimes committed by black people. Rules apply to everyone. If you want to ban hoodies, then ban hoodies. You cannot ban hoodies only for black people.

That's clearly illegal and immoral.

We are not even talking about profiling here. We are talking about creating rules that only apply to a certain race. It's insane that anybody on here would advocate for that.

 

[nac386]

Conservatives really are shameless racists as proven by this thread. I have no problem with this rule as long as it’s enforced consistently. But when you use it to harass black people, that is just wrong.

This thread may be the most clear example of Sherdoggers advocating openly for violating American civil rights that I've ever seen.

There's been several people just openly have said they think a certain race should have to follow rules that other races do not. Just a blatant and flagrant violation of civil rights, and entirely anti-American values.

It's shocking that people are willing to be so open about wanting to violate civil rights. It's even more gross that hardly any conservative posters on here are willing to stand up for our civil rights. I think @LogicalInsanity clearly stated it's wrong and illegal, which is a breath of fresh air in here. But holy shit, I never thought I'd see this many people on here straight up advocate for stripping Americans of their civil rights.

 

[BEER]

I'm on team "enforce the rule equally".

I think it's pretty outrageous that a rule is created but only enforced against black men (and maybe women, but I haven't seen that posted anywhere). Even if the goal is to lessen violence that may be committed mostly by black men, your rule can not be exclusive to black men. No hoodies for anyone. Otherwise this shit is just flat out discriminatory and possibly illegal.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

This thread may be the most clear example of Sherdoggers advocating openly for violating American civil rights that I've ever seen.

There's been several people just openly have said they think a certain race should have to follow rules that other races do not. Just a blatant and flagrant violation of civil rights, and entirely anti-American values.

It's shocking that people are willing to be so open about wanting to violate civil rights. It's even more gross that hardly any conservative posters on here are willing to stand up for our civil rights. I think @LogicalInsanity clearly stated it's wrong and illegal, which is a breath of fresh air in here. But holy shit, I never thought I'd see this many people on here straight up advocate for stripping Americans of their civil rights.

I agree. If the mall says no hoodies, then it should apply to everyone (Hurray Equality!) Unfortunately, the problem with young black males starting fights and shooting each other is still going to be a problem the mall has to deal with. What should they do to deal with the problem?

 

[Devout Pessimist]

I'm on team "enforce the rule equally".

I think it's pretty outrageous that a rule is created but only enforced against black men (and maybe women, but I haven't seen that posted anywhere). Even if the goal is to lessen violence that may be committed mostly by black men, your rule can not be exclusive to black men. No hoodies for anyone. Otherwise this shit is just flat out discriminatory and possibly illegal.

The issue here is young black males are involved with fights and shootings at the mall. As a response, the mall decided to be extra diligent when it came to monitoring young black males. The rule was not created on a random racist whim. There are serious problems with violence and shootings perpetrated by a specific demographic. What should the mall do instead of profiling young black males?

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Discrimination based on race is illegal in this country. Don't know what else to tell ya bud.

Move along.

This is not discrimination based on race. It is discrimination (instituted at a single mall) against a specific demographic based on a history of violent and threatening behaviour. This is a case of discrimination based on behaviour.