Crime White Supremacist Rally V.3 Aftermath

[Quipling]

Mod note: Please remember to not condone violence or celebrate that people were injured/killed in any attack.

Car Driver is James Alex Fields, a 20 year old white supremacist from Ohio who until recently lived with his mother and his cat. His high school teachers remember him as being obsessed with the Nazis. Was in the military for four months before being discharged for unknown reasons. Rumored to be off anti-psychotic meds.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/13/us/james-alex-fields-charlottesville-driver-.html

Heather Heyer, 32, was killed by the incident. She was a local resident.

Two local officers died in a helicopter crash.



Some white supremacists were injured too:
"Baked Alaska" bear maced, may suffer some loss of vision in one eye.

Some people are doxxing the more visible white supremacists:
http://gizmodo.com/doxed-white-supremacist-caught-red-handed-with-torch-at-1797800347

Peter Cvjetanovic wants you to know he's not an angry racist; he's actually usually calm.

FBI and DOJ are investigating violence, deaths.
http://nypost.com/2017/08/12/fbi-ju...gating-virginia-white-power-rally-attack/amp/

V.2
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/w...no-nationalists-and-their-apologists.3595069/
V1:
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/c...g-protests-in-virginia-video-graphic.3594647/

"It's a roman salute".

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

Posted this in the 2.0 but it'll be locked soon.

A sampling of other white supremacist or neo nazi attacks in the past 10 years:
2009 - United States Holocaust Memorial Museum shooting
2012 - Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting
2014 - Overland Park Jewish Community Center shooting
2015 - Charleston Church Shooting

Note: that's not a list of all "right wing terrorist attacks" of the past decade, just ones involving WS or NN.

 

[Armbars]

so some messed up weird loner kid obsessed with the nazi's gets kicked out of the military. Took some sort of anti-psychotic drugs. (What sort of doctor prescribes shit like this to a kid?) - as a young adult hes now off the drugs? joins far-right groups end up ploughing a car into a crowd of people, killing at least one and injuring dozens more.

Where do you start with this, what a mess.
sounds like a messed up kid that never had any decent guidance, fed drugs by the doctors and failed by those around him.
It's always sad that when we start looking into the life of these extreme people there's usually neglect or abuse.
Who's monitoring people like this if they are prescribed anti-psychotic drugs? Sounds like an area that has no accountability. anti-psychotic drugs for young people never sounds like a good idea.

 

[LMP]

I don't understand why so many on the right are trying to place blame on the left. Yes Antifa and BLM tend to be violent, but you can't come out and condemn Neo-Nazis?

I lean center right and am far away from the current republicans, the hound man who ran his car into the crowd had no justification to do so. It doesn't matter if Antifa people were violent first. Fuck that guy and his white nataionalist friends. ANYONE attacking someone for their point of view is a shit bag.

If Antifa is being funded to disrupt the free speech of others and cause property damage, then the people paying them to do so should be held accountable for the damages.

Everyone in the middle needs to denounce all extremists movements. Don't let these idiots continue to drive a wegde between us with the extreme views.

 

[Exception]

I'm surprised it took this long to get here. Wait until people don't care that they're labeled racists (not just the leaders, but the line memebrs). That's gonna be bananas.

 

[Quipling]

Empty post replaced with Athiest/DP's statement:

The "Unite The Right" travesty really changed my mind. I am embarrassed to admit that I have been talking a lot about identity politics and made many posts talking about white nationalism and defending the alt-right. I got so caught up in being anti-left that I turned a blind eye to the evils festering on the right. I am guilty of dragging the War Room discourse into the swamp.

After the events of Unite the Right I have decided that I am finished with talking about white nationalism and I want nothing to do with the alt-right. I am completely embracing King's dream regarding content of character over skin color and condemning all forms of identity politics. I also want to work towards uniting instead of dividing. This Left vs. Right nonsense is blinding all of us to the truth. It is time to take a new direction.

Did anyone else change their minds after the Unite The Right event?

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

I don't understand why so many on the right are trying to place blame on the left. Yes Antifa and BLM tend to be violent, but you can't come out and condemn Neo-Nazis?

I think it would be a good start by just admitting that any non-peaceful elements of BLM or Antifa are a direct reaction to about a century of far right racial bigotry and violence. That doesn't excuse violence for anyone, but understanding how violent groups lead to the creation of other counter groups.

This weekend I saw a ton of posters pretending (or maybe are that delusional) that neo-nazis and WS are some how new and only sprang up in the past few weeks "as a response to antifa"

 

[LMP]

I think it would be a good start by just admitting that any non-peaceful elements of BLM or Antifa are a direct reaction to about a century of far right racial bigotry and violence. That doesn't excuse violence for anyone, but understanding how violent groups lead to the creation of other counter groups.

Don't forget before the 60s the racist were all democrats. Neo- nazis are socialist aswell the are only conservative in the idea of protecting white people.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

I love you guys

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

Don't forget before the 60s the racist were all democrats. Neo- nazis are socialist aswell the are only conservative in the idea of protecting white people.

Sure, but I don't think any neo-nazi's are voting democrat anymore these days. Ideology isn't necessarily always married to political party for life. Catholics used to vote democrat too, but I doubt many Catholics are out voting democrat now (the party that tends to be more pro-choice). Edit - I promise though I'm not trying to get into the cliche "but party ideals have flipped!" debate.

 

[oldshadow]

I have condemned the car guy and the Nazis.

However the left has called anyone that voted for Trump a Nazi so we are expecting the next step.

"Well you are Nazi because you voted for him so you are a hypocrite. "

 

[JDragon]

It's well possible that this was the work of a madman and not only motivated by political reasons.

What shocked me is the line of argumentation by many right-wingers that seriously went like 'he may have acted in self defense' or 'liberals made him do it'. For all of their (often with more merit than I'd like to admit) pointing out liberal hypocrisies, I would have expected more introspection.

Anyone advocating for or cheering for violence against human beings in domestic political discourse disqualifies himself instantly. You are enemies of democracy if you do that.

 

[ShoelessRye]

Is it a concerted effort to smear BLM as one in the same as Antifa or just ignorance?

 

[JadeOwl]

Sure, but I don't think any neo-nazi's are voting democrat anymore these days. Ideology isn't necessarily always married to political party for life. Catholics used to vote democrat too, but I doubt many Catholics are out voting democrat now (the party that tends to be more pro-choice).

While Catholic doctrine tends to be more conservative in some areas, Catholics themselves tends to be a lot more loose when it comes to applying it to their political and social views than evangelicals are.

Also, when it comes to the economics side of things, the Catholic Church tends to be anything but right wing. Just look at the current Pope.

And then there's the fact that this days, the Catholic Church is a lot more friendly to science and the environment than most evangelicals.

 

[Lord Commander Palis]

I do not support Neo Nazis but holy shit I love the butt hurt this is causing on the left!

I still remember many progressive leftists in here addvocating for violence and loving how the antifa fascists were shutting down right wingers and their freedom of speech.

Tremendous!

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

While Catholic doctrine tends to be more conservative in some areas, Catholics themselves tends to be a lot more loose when it comes to applying it to their political and social views than evangelicals are.

Also, when it comes to the economics side of things, the Catholic Church tends to be anything but right wing. Just look at the current Pope.

And then there's the fact that this days, the Catholic Church is a lot more science and friendly to the environment than most evangelicals.

Hmmm I think you may have a point. My mother in law is catholic, goes to church every weekend and such and votes democrat. She was teacher and big union person. However her brother in law is even more hardcore catholic and is a staunch republican. He is a gov employee. So maybe my example there wasn't the best. Maybe my perspective in that particular example is skewed because the times I've taken her to church it seems the majority is like her brother, and less like her.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Wait, so this weirdo, racist nut job on meds was able to move out of his mom's house by 20 years old? I'll remember that when the next "why is it uncool to live with parents at 30" thread that pops up in the mayberry

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Hmmm I think you may have a point. My mother in law is catholic, goes to church every weekend and such and votes democrat. She was teacher and big union person. However her brother in law is even more hardcore catholic and is a staunch republican. He is a gov employee. So maybe my example there wasn't the best. Maybe my perspective in that particular example is skewed because the times I've taken her to church it seems the majority is like her brother, and less like her.

Dems usually win the Catholic vote.

 

[LMP]

Is it a concerted effort to smear BLM as one in the same as Antifa or just ignorance?

IMO I think that a lot of what BLM has been saying is correct. Police in Baltimore have been caught planting drug on people and the black community gets the blunt end of the corrupt police treatment, It got derailed be Antifa backing them. Antifa has been known for its violent and trying to squash the free speech of those they don't agree with. The riots in Furgison Mo didn't help with the public option of them.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

Dems usually win the Catholic vote.

I concede my example and viewpoint there was not accurate after some consideration of @JadeOwl and your post.