Which of our ancestors made the most sturdy, and effective battle ready swords | Page 10

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  1. Zankou Literally Shaking

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    Thanks for the information ... I am kind of bored at the moment and looking to try something new. Maybe I'll give it a go ... it's really the cost that is hard to stomach, it's no $25 a month judo situation.
     
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  2. ShinkanPo Queen of Bad Jokes!

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    Great thread!!
     
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  3. KBE6EKCTAH_CCP Arrow sash belt with Lederhosen

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    Interested in hearing your impressions if you do try it.

    It is this thread that got me into fencing btw.
     
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    Just thought I'd give an update, since I've been training épée once a week since exactly a year, now.

    I have been mostly free fencing in the advanced group for the last 3 months or so.

    These guys (and girls) are excellent, and I am often the only one there with my level of experience. It's pretty sobering. And it can get discouraging to lose like 3-15 (the 3 being doubles) against 3 opponents in a row.

    But I am improving, I think. Learning from my mistakes and being more patient and less agressive. I still give a good 5 points away per match on average just closing in without my arm extended. My average score is going up, though, and I am more and more often around 10-15 points when I lose (average must have been around 5-15 when I started to attend that group 3 months ago).

    I am transitioning to 2 x / week currently (couldn't do more due to swelling of the right knee, but I am getting this under control it seems) and am going to train the sabre as well (right before one of the épée class) if the club accepts it.

    I am also doing the paperwork to start competing. Can't wait.

    Lastly, I can only recommend this sport to anyone interested in a combat sport where you don't show up to work with your face wrecked. It's a f**k load of fun.

    What I also love is that it's the only combat sport I can think of where experience and skill can trump youth, strength and fitness. There are 50-60 year old dudes at my club that hardly move but they are untouchable.
     
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  5. Tavares1988 Lyoto machida's cute puppy

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    The mongols had a big succes thanks to horses.i learned that from history channel<45><45>:D
     
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  6. KBE6EKCTAH_CCP Arrow sash belt with Lederhosen

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    Interestingly, at the time I read this post last year, I hardly had any understanding of fencing.

    Now, after a year of fencing épée and starting sabre as well, I think I can better grasp what you meant with regards to the RoW.

    Even though it makes for ruleset which are unrealistic, I am starting to see how it makes sense to ingrain these reflexes, because it teaches :
    - to parry and riposte (instead of just thrusting at the same time and hoping to land first)
    - to get the opponent's blade out of the way before striking either by battuta or by binding

    Now obviously this is valid when you don't have the RoW and may posibly teach you much better to hit without getting hit, which is closer to a duel.

    On the other hand I have observed some anti-combative behaviour, like when one fencer has RoW and just advances towards his opponent while "hiding" his blade just because he has RoW and cannot lose a point if the opponent does not contact his blade.

    Anyways, I am sure that even as an épée fencer, this mindset will improve my overall understanding of fencing.

    BTW I am noticing that as I am improving and being more careful, I tend to search contact with the blade before striking (like battuta to the bottom followed up with a thrust on the forearm) anyways. So I guess that RoW makes more sense as you start refining your game.

    While my speed was good enough to beat other noobs when I started, I have had to evolve, because almost all the noobs quit and the couples ones remaining (like 2 out of 15) are already competing and training 4x / week, thereby becoming more proficient at a scary pace. The rest of the people I fence with all have years or decades of experience.So I can't pull off the sh1t I was pulling at first, that is relying overwhelmingly on speed and aggression.

    Ok, / diary.
     
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  7. shertardinho more pix plz

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    That's cool you are improving. I fenced foil and then saber for several years but quit because I got frustrated by my lack of progress or skill advancement. Also saber fencing felt very monotonous.
     
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  9. MadSquabbles500 Gold Belt

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    Why dont they allow lateral movement, and circling in modern day fencing? Why only back and forth?
     
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  10. KBE6EKCTAH_CCP Arrow sash belt with Lederhosen

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    In my limited experience circular mouvements would never work because they are too slow.

    That and it would be a poor use of the available training space. Less fencers could fight at the same time in the club.
     
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  11. MadSquabbles500 Gold Belt

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    What if you parry, and then sidestep and step in, wont you have a clear shot?

    Also where does this come from? I believe this is historically accurate

     
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  12. MadSquabbles500 Gold Belt

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    Also another thing I dont get about modern fencing is usually both players get hit, but they score the guy who lands first? If modern fencing is suppose to emphasize the most pertinent aspects of real sword dueling, then I think I rather be an archer.

    That happens in boxing too, but at least there are times one boxer lands only.
     
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  13. Reyesnuthugr belt

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    They used to in actual sword fighting, but it favored the Spaniard style (boooo!) instead of the French who were standardizing the sport, and took up a lot more room. It works really well with swords and boxing, but if you take that space away, it necessitates more direct contact and forces the action more, turns it into more of a toe-to-toe jousting match, requires more athleticism and turns it into something closer to a brawl.
     
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    But they should have at least of buckler. If I in that situation, I need something to block.
     
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    That would be nice. They could also use a dagger in the 2nd hand instead of a buckler, works similarly for defense and is a little more threatening offensively.

    But think also-- a buckler would return to making it a more defensive minded sport, and they didn't want that which is why they removed the option of lateral/circular movement in the first place.
     
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  16. MadSquabbles500 Gold Belt

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    From matches I have seen both players actually get hit almost at the same time. Just who ever comes a fraction first gets the right of way points.

    I just dont see how you can turn that into an interesting game.
     
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    I feel ya. It probably works ok at the competitive lower levels but at the higher levels it falls apart like that. Kinda like BJJ. hmmmmm


    I wish they had preserved the complete circular method (which also contained linearity within it, so it wasn't missing anything)
     
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  18. tdluxon Black Belt

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    Damascus steel is pretty well known for its strength and ability to hold an extremely sharp edge. It's distinctive for these strange swirling patterns in the metal. They still haven't really been able to determine how it was made.
     
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  19. KBE6EKCTAH_CCP Arrow sash belt with Lederhosen

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    Maybe you could have tried épée?

    Many people start with foil, and end up in épée because they hated RoW.
     
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    Not sure but I think this is spanish destreza rapier. I don't believe that any fencing method included 360s or fency things like what these guys or doing. So i doubt that it is historically accurate.

    But in spirit it is correct : beautiful and fancy, but the Italian method established itself in Europe. IMO in part due to its superiority.
     
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