Which martial art makes you physically strongest?

[j123]

Apparently unless something involves iron it's impossible to get stronger from it. Learn something new everyday. The body simply doesn't respond to resistance unless it's from a barbell.

Iron skin kung fu. Heard of it?

 

[TheeFaulted]

Apparently unless something involves iron it's impossible to get stronger from it. Learn something new everyday. The body simply doesn't respond to resistance unless it's from a barbell.

No one is saying practicing a grappling art won't make a weak person stronger.

It's just that it's a stupid and pointless metric. If you want to get strong, there are much more efficient methods. If you're looking for which art to practice, there are much more important factors. If you're just looking for some further reason as to why you feel superior practicing judo, then no one cares.

 

[Sano]

No one is saying practicing a grappling art won't make a weak person stronger.

It's just that it's a stupid and pointless metric. If you want to get strong, there are much more efficient methods. If you're looking for which art to practice, there are much more important factors. If you're just looking for some further reason as to why you feel superior practicing judo, then no one cares.

No, it's not stupid. You're the one projecting your bias. Obviously wrestling wont improve your squat as much as squatting, but in the context of martial arts, which is what this thread is about, that doesn't matter. The metric isn't always how much you can improve your basic lifts, as they themselves are specialised moves which has as much to do with being actually skilled at them, and having good leverages, as it has to do with being strong.

A person moving resisting objects and throwing them over their head, especially big guys days on end will most definitely get stronger than someone not doing it. The body adaps to the workload and resistance just as it adapts to the training you do at the gym.

Is barbell training a more effective way at evaluating, re and progressing and monitoring how much you improve? Definitely, but it's not the only thing in the world that makes you stronger and it's not necessarily the only important metric.

 

[TheeFaulted]

Again, I'm not saying grappling arts won't make you stronger.

But asking whether Judo or wrestling is going to make you stronger is a stupid question.

 

[Sano]

Again, I'm not saying grappling arts won't make you stronger.

But asking whether Judo or wrestling is going to make you stronger is a stupid question.

Your infatuation with powerlifting is amazing. If I understand you correctly, the strength building of any activity in this world, outside of lifting a barbell, is arbitrary and pointless? Powerlifting is a great tool, but it's a discipline in itself for a reason. It's specialised, transferable to a higher or lower degree depending on the sport, but specialised. The point of diminishing returns and time investment is also debatable, depending on the specific sport you want to use it as a supplement for. Claiming that the strength building in full contact explosive sports with a live opponent (the torque forces can be incredibly high, often working at above 1rm in the eccentric phases) is not significant at all is asinine.

 

[Officer_Brown]

wrestling no doubt

 

[bad seed]

 

[LatFlare]

the typical f13 bullshit thread with a bullshit question bullshit formula:

TS: what is the best way to achieve <insert goal>, aside from the blaringly obvious answer which i refuse to accept because <insert excuse/explanation/reason why i'm a fuckhead and will not listen to anyone>?

everyone: why not make some kind of adjustment so the excuse is no longer an issue and you can get optimal results

TS: no i already told you i want to do it this way

everyone: ok....

TS: fuck you arrogant piece of shit powerlifters you think your shit doesn't stink why you hate me because i don't do whatever you say, you arrogant fucks?

 

[Sano]

the typical f13 bullshit thread with a bullshit question bullshit formula:

TS: what is the best way to achieve <insert goal>, aside from the blaringly obvious answer which i refuse to accept because <insert excuse/explanation/reason why i'm a fuckhead and will not listen to anyone>?

everyone: why not make some kind of adjustment so the excuse is no longer an issue and you can get optimal results

TS: no i already told you i want to do it this way

everyone: ok....

TS: fuck you arrogant piece of shit powerlifters you think your shit doesn't stink why you hate me because i don't do whatever you say, you arrogant fucks?

TS said no such thing. He just asked a fun question about what martial art would make one physically strongest. Thinking about it, it's probably the ones with the highest loads/most resistence/emphasis on strength and most explosive movements against resistance. Meaning something like wrestling, mongolian wrestling, judo and sumo as most said. Then you interjected.

 

[LatFlare]

TS said no such thing. He just asked a fun question about what martial art would make one physically strongest. Thinking about it, it's probably the ones with the highest loads/most resistence/emphasis on strength and most explosive movements against resistance. Meaning something like wrestling, mongolian wrestling, judo and sumo as most said. Then you interjected.

you're right, he just wanted to tell us all how strong he is because he does judo.

 

[Sano]

you're right, he just wanted to tell us all how strong he is because he does judo.

Who gives a fuck. It's a pretty fun concept to think about, even if there's no definitive truth. You guys are obsessed with powerlifting.

 

[TheeFaulted]

Your infatuation with powerlifting is amazing. If I understand you correctly, the strength building of any activity in this world, outside of lifting a barbell, is arbitrary and pointless? Powerlifting is a great tool, but it's a discipline in itself for a reason. It's specialised, transferable to a higher or lower degree depending on the sport, but specialised. The point of diminishing returns and time investment is also debatable, depending on the specific sport you want to use it as a supplement for. Claiming that the strength building in full contact explosive sports with a live opponent (the torque forces can be incredibly high, often working at above 1rm in the eccentric phases) is not significant at all is asinine.

Are you reading the words I am writing? I haven't said a damn thing about powerlifting. I never said any other activity was pointless. I never said martial arts can't build strength. I never claimed building strength in a combat sport cannot be significant.

I am saying that asking which martial art makes you the strongest is a pointless question, as there would be no discernible strength difference from someone who trains judo vs someone who trains wrestling, if they had no other strength training and all other variables were the same.

TS just fancies himself strong because he trains judo, and was trying to create a humble brag in the form of a question. That is literally the only thing I said was pointless.

 

[Sano]

Are you reading the words I am writing? I haven't said a damn thing about powerlifting. I never said any other activity was pointless. I never said martial arts can't build strength. I never claimed building strength in a combat sport cannot be significant.

I am saying that asking which martial art makes you the strongest is a pointless question, as there would be no discernible strength difference from someone who trains judo vs someone who trains wrestling, if they had no other strength training and all other variables were the same.

TS just fancies himself strong because he trains judo, and was trying to create a humble brag in the form of a question. That is literally the only thing I said was pointless.

Hmm. I must have misunderstood you. Seeing as you liked the responses with "powerlifting", and always advocate it over anything else and this part:

It's just that it's a stupid and pointless metric. If you want to get strong, there are much more efficient methods. If you're looking for which art to practice, there are much more important factors. If you're just looking for some further reason as to why you feel superior practicing judo, then no one cares.

When you said it's stupid and pointless as a metric of strength, and if you want to get stronger there's more efficient methods, I inferred that you meant anything that's not measured by how much you squat is a stupid metric of strength, and not worth doing for strength gains.

I don't think I'm far off with the overall sentiment, but sorry I'm a little on the warpath right now as you can see. I agree that trying to figure whether mongolian wrestling or judo "objectively" makes you stronger is impossible, but I actually though it was a fun topic to theorise about.

 

[LatFlare]

Hmm. I must have misunderstood you. Seeing as you liked the responses with "powerlifting", and always advocate it over anything else and this part:


When you said it's stupid and pointless as a metric of strength, and if you want to get stronger there's more efficient methods, I inferred that you meant anything that's not measured by how much you squat is a stupid metric of strength, and not worth doing for strength gains.

I don't think I'm far off with the overall sentiment, but sorry I'm a little on the warpath right now as you can see. I agree that trying to figure whether mongolian wrestling or judo "objectively" makes you stronger is impossible, but I actually though it was a fun topic to theorise about.

Do you not see how martial artists measuring their dicks saying "I'm stronger because judo" ... "no I'm stronger because wrestling " is as pointless as a bunch of guys playing tiddlywinks in the park arguing over who's the better swimmer?

 

[LatFlare]

If it were up to TS, ufc 1 would have been an armwrestling contest lol.

 

[Cmart]

Your infatuation with powerlifting is amazing...

First off, let's drop the powerlifting strawman. What we're taking about is compound movements with a barbell, which just happens to be about the most efficient way to build strength ever devised.

When a guy comes in to S&C with a question about which martial art builds the most strength, he might as well be asking which fork is best for shoveling snow. It's just not a very good tool for the job, considering one's options. Hence the ribbing.

Then you have to get all defensive and blame powerlifter bias. No, people just recognize the truth of the matter; compound barbell movements build strength very efficiently. Much more so than martial arts. Martial arts practitioners often have to subsidize their practice with strength training to get stronger.

If TS had stated that he did judo and that his strength seemingly improved dramatically, and asked if that's typical, or if he'd asked which sport has typically the strongest practitioners, maybe the answer would have been different. It's the phrasing.

As it sits, the answers he's gotten have been wholly appropriate. And you have no standing for blaming powerlifting.

 

[belph]

Who gives a fuck. It's a pretty fun concept to think about, even if there's no definitive truth. You guys are obsessed with powerlifting.

You'd lump me in this category, yet I think Powerlifting is really, really fucking gay. Like Elton John would go "Shit fuckers, that's gay".

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

Do you not see how martial artists measuring their dicks saying "I'm stronger because judo" ... "no I'm stronger because wrestling " is as pointless as a bunch of guys playing tiddlywinks in the park arguing over who's the better swimmer?

Come on now, you know OLY lifters get all the chicks.

 

[LatFlare]

Come on now, you know OLY lifters get all the chicks.

But who's faster? Oly or brobell curlers?

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

But who's faster? Oly or brobell curlers?

You've gotta be more specific with that question, bro.

My opinion is that the former is faster in the gym and the latter comes faster in the sack.