Where do *YOU* think *OTHER* War Room regulars sit on the U.S political spectrum?

[kpt018]

I have many talents.

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No, I just looked at the first three pages or so of the Favorite WR Poster thread and let Excel sort the list. Took about 5 minutes.

Nah, I got a silver belt basically with 99% in the WR and didn't make the list! German efficiency my ass! (JK, lot's of posters in here, not offended).

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

I wouldn't consider the square to be like a globe.

I thought the square was the map and that we need a better tool than that, which would be like stepping up to a globe.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

There is absolute truth in idea that the general public really has no idea of what a real libertarian is.

Here's one clue: If you're a libertarian, you should whole heartedly support immigration.

What's "whole-heartedly"? From the party platform.

3.4 Free Trade and Migration

We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders. However, we support control over the entry into our country of foreign nationals who pose a credible threat to security, health or property.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

It's not that it would end up authoritarian; it's that they're describing an authoritarian society--one where right-wing libertarians set the laws once, and no one else has input in that process or the ability to change the laws, especially regarding resource allocation. That's *more* authoritarian than someone who still supports democratic decision-making but wants intrusive laws.

that's kinda like arguing that an anarcho-syndicalist society would be totally authoritarian because it doesn't allow individuals to accumulate commodities and capital.

In any system there are going to be laws regarding economic distribution that some (many) think are unfair and tyrannical.

Sure, that's why we use words in addition to the spectrum.

But it's more illustrative to use the compass.

In a single-axis spectrum, the left side will have both Lenin and Chomsky. And probably pretty close to each other since they're both further left than your standard democratic socialist. So you'd need words to spell out that hey, they're actually pretty different even though they're next to each other.

In a compass, these two are very far from each other, as they should be. I mean, I kinda get the appeal of mixing fascists to Austrian economists (they've certainly collaborated before) in a single axis, but they're also pretty different.

 

[TeTe]

Well, never said we should let criminals in the country and we should screen everyone coming over and document migrants.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Going off JDragon's incredibly efficient list (I apologize if anyone feels I mischaracterized them):

Left-
@7437
@AnGrYcRoW
@Anung Un Rama
@bad seed
@Gandhi
@Jack V Savage
@JDragon
@Kafir-kun
@KONG-D'SNT-TAP
@M3t4tr0n
@Overpressure
@Quipling
@Rod1
@Ruprecht
@SouthoftheAndes
@Teen Wolf
@Thames
@theBLADE1
@ucunc156
@UpaLoompa
@Work Play

Center-
@Lead Salad
@panamaican

Right-
@Arkain2K
@Atheist
@CableandThanos
@Cubo de Sangre
@GearSolidMetal
@glennrod
@Greoric
@ironwolf
@JudoThrowFiasco
@Madmick
@MusterX
@oldshadow
@PrinceOfPain
@Rex Kwon Do
@ripskater
@sabretruth
@shadow_priest_x
@Skip Reming
@SMEAC
@Space
@TeTe
@TheComebackKid
@Thurisaz

Not familiar enough off the top of my head or they have had postings that have confused me-
@2DUM2TAP
@Adamant
@Bald1
@Banchan
@Bukowski82
@CEROVFC
@Charles Manson
@Cmart
@colby25
@dontsnitch
@ehtheist
@Falsedawn
@FinalFight
@Gutter Chris
@HendoRuaGOAT
@Higus
@Hogey
@IDL
@In The Name Of
@InvertedCross
@irish_thug
@Jesus Freak
@JosephDredd
@Juventud
@KBE6EKCTAH_CCP
@KILL KILL
@lfd0311
@LionExMachina
@MicroBrew
@ncordless
@ObsoleteSoul
@Octavian
@RespectableDenizen
@ShinkanPo
@sodapopinski
@The ScorpioN
@Tropodan
@voxom
@Zankou

I consider myself a liberal but I'm still curious as to why you classified me as that. I'll lean left on some stuff but at the same time I find myself increasingly skeptical of leftist claims on certain topics. Sometimes I feel as if I'm more consistently contrarian than liberal. If I see a consensus emerging one side I tend to put some effort into understanding the minority opinion so that if I do accept the consensus I can do so with confidence having evaluated the alternative.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

What's "whole-heartedly"? From the party platform.

Lol @ "credible threat to security, health or property"

You can exclude anyone under that. The Nazis didn't hate the Jews because of their Jewish-ness, it was because they were outsiders who refused to be part of German society and thus were a security threat. Yes, that's an extreme example but the point is that "security threat" can be used for ANYTHING.

A true libertarian wouldn't rely on Big Government to decide who's a "threat to property." They'd allow the market to decide which immigrants are useful and employeable and which ones are superfluous. Immigrants come over because they know there's labor demands. More labor demand = cheaper labor. Cheaper labor = more profit, thereby fulfilling the ultimate libertarian aspiration.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Lol @ "credible threat to security, health or property"

You can exclude anyone under that. The Nazis didn't hate the Jews because of their Jewish-ness, it was because they were outsiders who refused to be part of German society and thus were a security threat. Yes, that's an extreme example but the point is that "security threat" can be used for ANYTHING.

A true libertarian wouldn't rely on Big Government to decide who's a "threat to property." They'd allow the market to decide which immigrants are useful and employeable and which ones are superfluous. Immigrants come over because they know there's labor demands. More labor demand = cheaper labor. Cheaper labor = more profit, thereby fulfilling the ultimate libertarian aspiration.

I guess then you don't consider the Libertarian party to be Libertarians?

 

[Jack V Savage]

that's kinda like arguing that an anarcho-syndicalist society would be totally authoritarian because it doesn't allow individuals to accumulate commodities and capital.

No it isn't. Because an anarcho-syndicalist society simply wouldn't enforce claims on capital ownership. It flows naturally from a lack of authority. Right-wing libertarianism requires active force to be used against transgressors of the order; it simply bars people who don't have defendable capital claims from any say in how that force is directed--that is, it's authoritarian.

In any system there are going to be laws regarding economic distribution that some (many) think are unfair and tyrannical.

There are always going to be conflicts about resource allocation. Right-wing libertarianism answers those conflicts by saying that the ruling class has full power to implement its vision, as opposed to our current system, which allows everyone (excluding children and felons, to some extent) from having a say; or to left-wing anarchism, which basically says, "figure it out for yourselves."

But it's more illustrative to use the compass.

In a society like ours with widespread liberal values, at least in aspiration, the compass is just a misleading recruiting tool for right-wing libertarianism. It defines, say, protections of worker rights as "authoritarian" and untrammeled domination of labor as "anti-authoritarian." It also uses "left and right" in a completely different way from the normal spectrum, which causes a lot of confusion.

In a single-axis spectrum, the left side will have both Lenin and Chomsky. And probably pretty close to each other since they're both further left than your standard democratic socialist. So you'd need words to spell out that hey, they're actually pretty different even though they're next to each other.

But the difference isn't ideological. Lenin would have said he wanted what Chomsky wants; he'd just disagree about how to get it. I suppose that's another problem with the square.

In a compass, these two are very far from each other, as they should be. I mean, I kinda get the appeal of mixing fascists to Austrian economists (they've certainly collaborated before) in a single axis, but they're also pretty different.

They really aren't that different, though, and what differences there are can be explained.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Well, never said we should let criminals in the country and we should screen everyone coming over and document migrants.

We probably should, but just be clear that that's not a libertarian position. One can be generally supportive of libertarianism while still disagreeing with some tenets.

 

[Deleted member 159002]

I'm pro single payer HC, pro union (including public sector), pro lowering the retirement age, and anti death penalty. Worst right winger ever.

 

[Greoric]

In what sense is he authoritarian? I've only ever seen him long for the day when there will be no, or as little, government as possible. Strong centralized government and limited political freedoms? Not that I've seen.

We're talking about you, @Greoric.

Goebbels would be proud of Jack. He's taken Orwellian doublespeak and spinned it into its own category of nonsense speak.

Watch what he does. He takes a commonly understood narrative, inverts it, then throws it out that like its incontrovertible.

Think the regressive left are out of hand by getting offended at anything that takes a piss in a urinal?

Nope it's actually only the right that does that...

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/a...-the-over-sensitive-journalist.3248579/page-2

Funny thread. I've heard nothing of this supposed freakout, but I'm seeing right-wingers freaking out about it in the WR. It seems like you guys just pick through the news with a microscope to find things to get offended by.

Think Hillary is dishonest and just part of the establishment like the rest of America?

Nope...

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/hillary-will-be-president.2740871/page-19#post-108157315

In terms of policy, she's extremely anti-establishment.

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/b...the-safer-choice-for-democrats.3249233/page-4

Except that Clinton factually isn't pathologically deceptive the way Trump is, as much as fanatics try to push the false equivalence.

Think a commonly accepted political identifier chart is objective?

He doesn't...

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/w...-political-spectrum-nominations-only.3249693/

That square is bullshit, though, as right-wing libertarians are very authoritarian.

Think the sky is blue?

Jack doesn't think so...

The sky is obviously a dark green hue. If you weren't a nutty CTer you'd know that.

Think bears shit in the woods?

Well not Jack...

Bears shit in highly populated urban centers.

I'll just add its fitting that he supports a habitually lying psychopath for president.

 

[Jack V Savage]

That's certainly a lot of work you put in there. And a little funny at the end. But it really just shows how narrow your reading and exposure is.

For example, Clinton will get 65 million or so people who want her to be president (likely a clear majority of voters, and many who don't vote will support her candidacy), and yet to you, everyone in America thinks that right-wing smears of her are true. Your present my questioning of those smears as something outrageous and fringey just shows that you pretty much exclusively consume very biased and fringey news sources. Likewise with the other stuff. No offense, but you could really benefit from expanding your mind and education--and your insanely hostile response to any thought that challenges you is an obstacle to true understanding.

 

[Liquid Smoke]

I find most people here are centrists. With few exceptions most War Roomers are very pragmatic and not at all prone to visceral reactions.

 

[ucunc156]

I consider myself a liberal but I'm still curious as to why you classified me as that. I'll lean left on some stuff but at the same time I find myself increasingly skeptical of leftist claims on certain topics. Sometimes I feel as if I'm more consistently contrarian than liberal. If I see a consensus emerging one side I tend to put some effort into understanding the minority opinion so that if I do accept the consensus I can do so with confidence having evaluated the alternative.

well honestly a lot of it has to boil down to empathy. I think your pretty good at seeing the other side of things and not black and white like "poor welfare people are lazy". Also you don't hate muslims. So theres that.

I'm just kidding though, but in general I more or less seem to agree with you on most points and end up classifying you the same way I classify myself (liberal).

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

I think the WR is the only place I've ever been accused of being a conservative.

 

[Luger]

I find most people here are centrists. With few exceptions most War Roomers are very pragmatic and not at all prone to visceral reactions.

Either you are being sarcastic or there is some other War Room on Sherdog that I've never checked out.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

@7437 left
@2DUM2TAP*
@Adamant right
@AnGrYcRoW centrist
@Anung Un Rama left-center
@Arkain2K right-center
@Atheist right
@bad seed left-center
@Bald1 center-left
@Banchan *
@Bukowski82 mixed I've seen him take really far left views and far right views
@CableandThanos right
@CEROVFC right-center
@Charles Manson libertarianish
@Cmart right
@colby25 religious right
@Cubo de Sangre hmmm, Libertarian esque
@dontsnitch
@ehtheist centrist
@Falsedawn left
@FinalFight *
@Gandhi centrist
@GearSolidMetal right, right?
@glennrod religious right
@Greoric right, right?
@Gutter Chris
@HendoRuaGOAT left, anarchist?
@Higus left
@Hogey left
@IDL beyond
@In The Name Of religious right
@InvertedCross
@irish_thug centrist
@ironwolf right
@Jack V Savage Democrat
@JDragon center-left
@Jesus Freak religious right
@JosephDredd Canadian
@JudoThrowFiasco Right
@Juventud *
@Kafir-kun center-left
@KBE6EKCTAH_CCP
@KILL KILL center-left
@KONG-D'SNT-TAP left
@Lead Salad center-right
@lfd0311 centrist
@LionExMachina
@M3t4tr0n left
@Madmick centrist
@MicroBrew center-left
@MusterX left leaning libertarianish
@ncordless *
@ObsoleteSoul *
@Octavian Democrat
@oldshadow right
@Overpressure center-right
@panamaican center-right
@PrinceOfPain *
@Quipling center-left
@RespectableDenizen
@Rex Kwon Do right
@ripskater religious right
@Rod1 centrist
@Ruprecht left, probably a Libertarian in the classic sense - correct me if I'm wrong Rup.
@sabretruth center left, but has some real far right stuff, too
@shadow_priest_x *
@ShinkanPo *
@Skip Reming right out of his mind
@SMEAC right
@sodapopinski centrist
@SouthoftheAndes everything/ nothing
@Space right
@Teen Wolf
@TeTe libertarian
@Thames centrist
@The ScorpioN libertarianish
@theBLADE1 left
@TheComebackKid right
@Thurisaz right
@Tropodan left
@ucunc156 center-left
@UpaLoompa center-left
@voxom *
@Work Play center-left
@Zankou center-left


A few of you guys I felt I should have known from reading your posts, but I couldn't categorize you from memory. If you have an (*) then clarify your record for me. I think a lot of it has to do with your humor and also that one position doesn't necessarily define somebody.

Jack is not a lefty, tho. He's a Democrat of the right leaning third way variety.
You can't claim tyranny because the government doesn't want to allow welfare recipients to spend their assistance on casinos and tattoos and then shrug at death of 500,000 children and thousands of victims of drone strikes and consider yourself a lefty.

- rationalizes Bill Clinton's sanctions killing 500,000 children in Iraq
- demagogues W for his War in Iraq (justified)
- denies that Obama has expanded that war
- responds to Hillary's involvement in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Syria as "huh? she's a decent, honest woman who is antiestablishment, too"
- blames Ralph Nader for not only Al Gore's losing, but for 9/11, the Iraq War, and the financial collapse of 2007... (seriously)

Thats right down the checklist, first round hall of famer Neo-Liberal Third Way Right Leaning Corporatist Democrat.

 

[Luger]

@7437 left
@2DUM2TAP*
@Adamant right
@AnGrYcRoW centrist
@Anung Un Rama left-center
@Arkain2K right-center
@Atheist right
@bad seed left-center
@Bald1 center-left
@Banchan *
@Bukowski82 mixed I've seen him take really far left views and far right views
@CableandThanos right
@CEROVFC right-center
@Charles Manson libertarianish
@Cmart right
@colby25 religious right
@Cubo de Sangre hmmm, Libertarian esque
@dontsnitch
@ehtheist centrist
@Falsedawn left
@FinalFight *
@Gandhi centrist
@GearSolidMetal right, right?
@glennrod religious right
@Greoric right, right?
@Gutter Chris
@HendoRuaGOAT left, anarchist?
@Higus left
@Hogey left
@IDL beyond
@In The Name Of religious right
@InvertedCross
@irish_thug centrist
@ironwolf right
@Jack V Savage Democrat
@JDragon center-left
@Jesus Freak religious right
@JosephDredd Canadian
@JudoThrowFiasco Right
@Juventud *
@Kafir-kun center-left
@KBE6EKCTAH_CCP
@KILL KILL center-left
@KONG-D'SNT-TAP left
@Lead Salad center-right
@lfd0311 centrist
@LionExMachina
@M3t4tr0n left
@Madmick centrist
@MicroBrew center-left
@MusterX left leaning libertarianish
@ncordless *
@ObsoleteSoul *
@Octavian Democrat
@oldshadow right
@Overpressure center-right
@panamaican center-right
@PrinceOfPain *
@Quipling center-left
@RespectableDenizen
@Rex Kwon Do right
@ripskater religious right
@Rod1 centrist
@Ruprecht left, probably a Libertarian in the classic sense - correct me if I'm wrong Rup.
@sabretruth center left, but has some real far right stuff, too
@shadow_priest_x *
@ShinkanPo *
@Skip Reming right out of his mind
@SMEAC right
@sodapopinski centrist
@SouthoftheAndes everything/ nothing
@Space right
@Teen Wolf
@TeTe libertarian
@Thames centrist
@The ScorpioN libertarianish
@theBLADE1 left
@TheComebackKid right
@Thurisaz right
@Tropodan left
@ucunc156 center-left
@UpaLoompa center-left
@voxom *
@Work Play center-left
@Zankou center-left


A few of you guys I felt I should have known from reading your posts, but I couldn't categorize you from memory. If you have an (*) then clarify your record for me. I think a lot of it has to do with your humor and also that one position doesn't necessarily define somebody.

Jack is not a lefty, tho. He's a Democrat of the right leaning third way variety.
You can't claim tyranny because the government doesn't want to allow welfare recipients to spend their assistance on casinos and tattoos and then shrug at death of 500,000 children and thousands of victims of drone strikes and consider yourself a lefty.

- rationalizes Bill Clinton's sanctions killing 500,000 children in Iraq
- demagogues W for his War in Iraq (justified)
- denies that Obama has expanded that war
- responds to Hillary's involvement in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Syria as "huh? she's a decent, honest woman who is antiestablishment, too"
- blames Ralph Nader for not only Al Gore's losing, but for 9/11, the Iraq War, and the financial collapse of 2007... (seriously)

Thats right down the checklist, first round hall of famer Neo-Liberal Third Way Right Leaning Corporatist Democrat.

I like your accurate analysis on Skip.
But how can you remember everybody and their stances?
I only remember the Christian nutters and a couple of others.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

@Cubo de Sangre hmmm, Libertarian esque

Why not center since I'm a devout independent?