When you rate something it's all about relativity...why do you think Obamacare is so horrible?

[helltoupee]

That's exactly right, i put good oil in my cars, why should i have to pay more, so other ppl can put better oil in their cars? or even get a fucking oil change.

Why do I have to pay thousands in taxes for the largest military in the world because you are the one who is scared there is a commie hiding under your bed?

 

[Pwent]

I agree.

It just seems a little funny to me that people would complain about stubbing their toe when they are bleeding profusely from the head....

if you made a thread about how stupid bailouts were, i would be posting in it

someone made a thread about obamacare so im posting in that

i would like less government intervention overall. our government is corrupt, incompetent and inefficient, your bailout and corporate subsidies example is great evidence of this

 

[Lanx]

Why do I have to pay thousands in taxes for the largest military in the world because you are the one who is scared there is a commie hiding under your bed?

we're all equally defended the same as Americans.

 

[helltoupee]

we're all equally defended the same as Americans.

But I'm paying for you being a scaredy-cat.

If you don't want to pay higher health insurace premiums to subsidize for others, why do I have to pay more taxes for a military because you feel unsafe?

 

[Rational Poster]

No it's more like this...

Pre-Obamacare - It sucks having healthcare out there that you can't afford to use.

Post-Obamacare- It sucks having to pay for healthcare that you can't afford to use.

I'm not saying that this applies to everybody, but there are people out there to whom it does.

Oh, I call those people idiots.

If you can't afford an individual health insurance plan then just pay the tax. It's exponentially cheaper and least that way you're going to paying about 0.1% of your costs at the emergency room.

 

[Rational Poster]

because you said many times you dont, you want other people taxed

youre idea of having a conscience is being generous with other peoples money. embarrassing

That isn't true at all.

I said very specifically and directly I am more than willing to be taxed more.

 

[Lanx]

If you have more property, you are getting more protection. Not the same.

b/c you worked for more property and pay more in taxes for that property, has no bearing on a soldier shooting a terrorist if you own or rent, as long as you're a law abiding AMERICAN, you're safe.

oh and if you're a legal immigrant, that pays taxes, etc, etc.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

But I'm paying for you being a scaredy-cat.

If you don't want to pay higher health insurace premiums to subsidize for others, why do I have to pay more taxes for a military because you feel unsafe?

A better argument would be why do we have to breath shit air so some hillbilly in West Virginia can work at a coal mine instead of learning a new trade?

 

[helltoupee]

b/c you worked for more property and pay more in taxes for that property, has no bearing on a soldier shooting a terrorist if you own or rent, as long as you're a law abiding AMERICAN, you're safe.

oh and if you're a legal immigrant, that pays taxes, etc, etc.

It has bearing on a military budget that you approve of because of your fears, that I don't agree with.

You want everyone to pay for "equal protection" that I don't feel is remotely necessary - at least not to the extent of having 700 US military installations around the world making the world safe for capital accumulation.

It's the same thing as health insurance - you don't want to subsidize other people, and neither do I. However, if I had to choose, I would rather help some average joe afford medical care rather than line the pockets of General Dynamics or Halliburton so billionaires can become even richer.

 

[HereticBD]

Typical @Imalive thread.

Asks loaded question. Demands simple answer that agrees with his simpleton perspective. Tells anyone who disagrees with him that they're an asshole, and not to speak on the subject.

 

[Imalive]

Typical @Imalive thread.

Asks loaded question. Demands simple answer that agrees with his simpleton perspective. Tells anyone who disagrees with him that they're an asshole, and not to speak on the subject.

None of that happened.

 

[Zookeeper Gabe]

Not everyone was so lucky.

No not everyone. But while it's something that clearly isn't perfect it also didn't destroy the working middle class and should stop being portrayed that it did.

 

[ripskater]

No not everyone. But while it's something that clearly isn't perfect it also didn't destroy the working middle class and should stop being portrayed that it did.

Argue that with someone else, I never claimed that it did.

 

[edirp]

Because it's call ObamaCare. We all know someone who we care about that has benefited and depends on the service. If it's call AmeriCare or something like that, we would like it better.

But then again, since I do have money, I am for survival of the fittest. Rand Paul ain't wrong.

 

[lilelvis]

A better argument would be why do we have to breath shit air so some hillbilly in West Virginia can work at a coal mine instead of learning a new trade?

'Fuck you if you don't want to pay for other people's healthcare, but fuck those hillbilly coal miners.'
You make tons of sense

 

[lilelvis]

None of that happened.

Yes it did

 

[MiniCraque]

The fact that Republicans oppose Obamacare so vehemently today is further proof of how far gone they are into their pit of far right madness. Back when Democrats were pushing for single-payer or Hillary's plan (which was VERY comprehensive), Republicans were all for some kind of hybrid system. Fast forward 15 years or so and Obama gives them exactly that and they scream bloody murder, "leads to socialism" and other garbage.

If anything Obamacare was too shy but it needed to be because it was just impossible to keep anything more aggresive with Tea Party nutjobs and corporate stooges screaming at the top of their lungs.

 

[Pelosi2020]

20 million people have Healthcare that didn't before Obamacare that alone pretty much trumps people's personal complaints about prices. As a whole the American people are "healthier because of Obamacare.

Obamacare in a vacuume is garbage. Americans should have a much better national healthcare plan for being the most powerful nation in the world but as long as people being sick is such big business that is never going to happen.

If Obamacare is a "disaster" , what Healthcare system isnt? What Healthcare system would be better and what chances does that plan haven of being passed into law?

We have seen what the Republicans came up with after 7 years of trying to repeal Obamacare and it wasn't a plan that covered everyone for a fraction of the costs like promised, not even close!

The Republicans healthcare bill was so far off from being "great healthcare" and so far away from getting there they have all but given up on creating or fixing a bill that is.

I have to wonder what people are expecting to be happy with if they think obamacare is a "disaster"

Are you crazy? Obamacare never had widespread support. Obama was elected because he ran on single payer. Big medical wrote Obamacare and it has us trapped - it was designed to trap us - in the worst kind of medical system possible.

**Literally, both fully open free markets with little regulation and lots of competition and single payer are infinitely better than what we have right now.**

Don't let the "20 million more people" have healthcare now confuse you. That is just the barb on the end of the hook preventing you from pulling it out of your lip. It is supposed to hurt so you don't remove it, don't fix it.

Fair and open markets drive down COSTS through competition, single payer (in other countries) limits costs by government regulation. What we have is the opposite of both: restricted competition and the government requirement to purchase insurance.

Really, if you think about it, Obamacare is a brilliant piece of legislation written by the industry. Whether it fails or succeeds, it moves us further away from single payer.

 

[Imalive]

Yes it did

Nope.

 

[RockstarChris]

Because of Obamacare I was charged $65,000 for a day and a half stay in the hospital last month and that is not even counting the xrays, ct scan, medications, etc.

Before Obamacare I was paying $110 a month for full coverage. After Obamacare it went up to over $400 a month and so I had to cancel it. Obamacare is too expensive for the average person now as well.

To top it off we have to pay a $700 fee this year for not being able to afford Obamacare which is supposed to be the "Affordable Care Act."

So now when I go to the hospital I just straight up tell the doctors and nurses "you know there is no way in hell you guys are getting a dime from me" and they just give me a look and say "we know."

My new medical policy is called the fix and ditch plan. 0 dollars a month and 0 fucks given.

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