When the MARXISTS try to make you call a man "Mrs"-- REFUSE/RESIST

[Lex Bigelow]

Please do not seek to understand Marxism through some weird right-wing conspiracy theorist you find in a fringe sports forum. If you genuinely are curious, there are many leftist forums filled with persons who will happily explain and try to address whatever concerns you have.

Your name is Trotsky. Youre a Commy. What kind of post is that?

 

[Trotsky]

Your name is Trotsky. Youre a Commy. What kind of post is that?

For the record, I'm not actually a communist, at least by today's definitions. There are actually many, many ideological and political divisions within Marxism, and, while I share many views with the left communists, I am best categorized merely as a socialist.

Anyways, that's a post by someone who doesn't really want to explain what's wrong with IDL's posts, although they weren't entirely untrue. Furthermore, I've been somewhat removed from recent organizational trends, and am certainly less qualified to speak on them than many more knowledgeable leftists.

Head over to RevLeft.com. There are some truly brilliant persons there whose historical and ideological knowledge far outweighs my own at any point in my life. Also, thankfully, the culture of the forum doesn't have the snarky condescending attitude that can be found in many new-generation faux-leftists that you'll see representing Socialist Alternative. They'll genuinely try to assist you.

 

[snakedafunky]

But, this ideology was constructed after Marx and Engels died and I have no idea if they'd dig it. From what I understand it is built on top of Marxist ideology but it isn't entirely the same obviously

Some relevant background on this ideology
https://archive.is/YzkIS (archived wiki link before it was moved/re-organized)

Frankfurt school, which is generally credited for birthing it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School

You believe in the Frankfurt School conspiracy? Because that has been debunked many times.
In Germany, it's mostly seen as an American Christian nationalist conspiracy. Of course a lot of antisemitism.

Have you ever read anything from the leading people at the Frankfurt School? Like Adorno, Horkheimer or Marcuse.
I mean you can't possibly believe the conspiracy after actually reading their papers.
Those are pretty common papers on society or Politics that you usually work on during higher education in Germany.
But I think most of them must have been translated into English or they maybe wrote some in English themselves.

 

[RetiredSlave]

Peterson helped me clarify my opinion on this. Tyranny one small step at a time. Hes too intelligent for politics and so idiotic politicians ignored or failed to understand him at the peril of all Canadians. In practice it wont come up much, but the fact its there is really bad especially considering its potential to lead to worse. I dont mind calling people what they want to be called, legislating me to do so, well I havent found a way to say fuck you politely yet. Grave consequences for someone like Peterson also who deals in actual gender studies.

 

[snakedafunky]

Please do not seek to understand Marxism through some weird right-wing conspiracy theorist you find in a fringe sports forum. If you genuinely are curious, there are many leftist forums filled with persons who will happily explain and try to address whatever concerns you have.

You shouldn't get your info about Marxism from leftist forums either. They just tell you the opposite site of the right wing nuts.
If you really want to know about it, you should read from actual professors or experts.
Because this has been studied and written about a lot from expert sources probably the most written political topic behind the Nazi's.

Just look at respected experts from a neutral point first. And later read pro and contra arguments from a reasonable person.
But right wing nuts or leftists will give you only their version. Not the real one.

 

[Falsedawn]

KULTURBOLSCHEWISMUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Lex Bigelow]

For the record, I'm not actually a communist, at least by today's definitions. There are actually many, many ideological and political divisions within Marxism, and, while I share many views with the left communists, I am best categorized merely as a socialist.

Anyways, that's a post by someone who doesn't really want to explain what's wrong with IDL's posts, although they weren't entirely untrue. Furthermore, I've been somewhat removed from recent organizational trends, and am certainly less qualified to speak on them than many more knowledgeable leftists.

Head over to RevLeft.com. There are some truly brilliant persons there whose historical and ideological knowledge far outweighs my own at any point in my life. Also, thankfully, the culture of the forum doesn't have the snarky condescending attitude that can be found in many new-generation faux-leftists that you'll see representing Socialist Alternative. They'll genuinely try to assist you.

You can understand why people think u guys r always making claims that last time it wasn't real communism. It seems like an appeal to authority. People on this site can't say that about Christianity or say go check out national review or anything like that. Anyways I'm worried that this gender stuff is tearing society apart. To me, a power structure is the money in ur bank plus hard assets and marketable skills combined with a way to bring them to market. I understand an influx of mommy daddy money or trust fund alters things but not race or gender.

 

[snakedafunky]

KULTURBOLSCHEWISMUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is no German word for it. You would think all those native German speaking Jews would have come up with a word in German to describe their theories.
But somehow it got its origin in the 90's from the American right.

 

[Thunderflash500]

Because everyone knows there's nothing a Marxist wants more than to distract the workers from class struggle and turn them against one another by means of identity politics.

It's exactly what a Marxist wants.

 

[Trotsky]

You shouldn't get your info about Marxism from leftist forums either. They just tell you the opposite site of the right wing nuts.
If you really want to know about it, you should read from actual professors or experts.
Because this has been studied and written about a lot from expert sources probably the most written political topic behind the Nazi's.

Just look at respected experts from a neutral point first. And later read pro and contra arguments from a reasonable person.
But right wing nuts or leftists will give you only their version. Not the real one.

No, this is not accurate. And your chances of finding an expert on Marxism that isn't at best a closeted Marxist are basically nil due to the immensely complex history and depth. Probably the most arms-length analysis you'll find are from guys like Chomsky.

Marxists are largely academics, and those forums are largely comprised of professors and professional scholars. They aren't bootlicking morons like Nazi's who still idolize Hitler, a man who really didn't have an actual ideology and admitted as much (see: his economic philosophy of not having an economic philosophy).

There is a subset of the leftist community that is similar in this way in that they support Stalin and glorify the USSR (they are called "tankies" within Marxist communities), but such is not the standard. Peer review is actually very, very strong in the Marxist community and has been since long before the Bolshevik revolution, when the left communists criticized Leninism (correctly in retrospect) for being too centralized and domestic, to the famous divide between Trotsky and Stalin, to the fervent market of Marxist criticism of the USSR during the height of the Cold War, to the Western division of Marxists with regard to criticism of Soviet imperialism, to the current discussions on the theories and contradictions of Trotsky and Mao in new wave organizational models.

Because it is not a homogeneous ideology and it is without historical or partisan allegiances, you can get the very best information indeed (at least in the areas of overlap). That is perhaps the best and most annoying thing about a Marxist: they won't let a disputable interpretation or recitation go unchallenged. It makes for vivacious and nuanced academia, but absolutely horrible political organization.

 

[AviatorShades]

I'm too masculine and if I used ultra PC language like "____ of color" or calling a dude Mrs it would just come across as confrontational mockery. You have to be a cuck.

That's why they go overboard with the full borrowed-mom's-reading-glasses cuck outfit, to let people know their Marxist newspeak is genuine.

 

[Falsedawn]

There is no German word for it. You would think all those native German speaking Jews would have come up with a word in German to describe their theories.
But somehow it got its origin in the 90's from the American right.

Kinda makes you wonder whether we're going through our antisemitism phase like Europe did. We're basically in our teens as a country, we're bound to come up with all kinds of dumb shit.

Though you would think the CTers might have pause when all their CTs inexplicably lead back to some group of jews somewhere who want to do something because some reason. Nope.

 

[Trotsky]

You can understand why people think u guys r always making claims that last time it wasn't real communism.

This is an area that can actually be explained fairly easily (the "not real communism/socialism" straw man that laymen like to use). You'll just have to be more specific in your questions/criticism.

There were many theoretical deviations from classical Marxism in Leninism's outset (and eventual solidification, as the establishment and reign of the USSR veered considerably from the framework of The State and Revolution). Whether they were eventually to be corrected is a matter of dispute, but their fairly easily identifiable. The most basic starting point, however, is that you're not going to see any meaningful direction toward "real communism" in little third world startups: that is simply not possible because of relative economic power and the ability of capitalist countries and markets to upset, and for private interests to infiltrate, the political order and the withering of the state. Therefore, when the world economy is concentrated in capitalist influence, communist regimes will necessarily devolve into state capitalism (or "deformed worker states" if you're using another, in my opinion somewhat outdated, model of interpretation) and eventually ones that are overly centralized to defend from external influences (see: Venezuela for the most illuminating recent example). Communism must rise from the ashes, and within the infrastructure of, the predominant world economy. Otherwise, the best case scenario, in terms of economic administration, is somewhere like Cuba.

That's merely brushing the surface, mind you, unless you make your criticism a bit more pointed.

Anyways I'm worried that this gender stuff is tearing society apart. To me, a power structure is the money in ur bank plus hard assets and marketable skills combined with a way to bring them to market. I understand an influx of mommy daddy money or trust fund alters things but not race or gender.

I'm not sure I know what you're saying. Are you saying that power structure are regardless of race and gender? Because, if so....well, that's just silly.

 

[snakedafunky]

No, this is not accurate. And your chances of finding an expert on Marxism that isn't at best a closeted Marxist are basically nil due to the immensely complex history and depth. Probably the most arms-length analysis you'll find are from guys like Chomsky.

So only a Marxists can explain Marxism? That sounds like an excellent idea.

I can enrol in any University in Germany. And study political science or history and specialises in Marxism.
And chances are good the professor is a published expert on the subject. At the very least an expert.
Most likely neutral or moderate against or for it.

Especially with East Germanies history, that has brought forward a lot of experts see Marxism very critical.
Some have even attended the Institute for Marxism-Leninism.

 

[AviatorShades]

No, this is not accurate. And your chances of finding an expert on Marxism that isn't at best a closeted Marxist are basically nil due to the immensely complex history and depth. Probably the most arms-length analysis you'll find are from guys like Chomsky.

Marxists are largely academics, and those forums are largely comprised of professors and professional scholars. They aren't bootlicking morons like Nazi's who still idolize Hitler, a man who really didn't have an actual ideology and admitted as much (see: his economic philosophy of not having an economic philosophy).

There is a subset of the leftist community that is similar in this way in that they support Stalin and glorify the USSR (they are called "tankies" within Marxist communities), but such is not the standard. Peer review is actually very, very strong in the Marxist community and has been since long before the Bolshevik revolution, when the left communists criticized Leninism (correctly in retrospect) for being too centralized and domestic, to the famous divide between Trotsky and Stalin, to the fervent market of Marxist criticism of the USSR during the height of the Cold War, to the Western division of Marxists with regard to criticism of Soviet imperialism, to the current discussions on the theories and contradictions of Trotsky and Mao in new wave organizational models.

Because it is not a homogeneous ideology and it is without historical or partisan allegiances, you can get the very best information indeed (at least in the areas of overlap). That is perhaps the best and most annoying thing about a Marxist: they won't let a disputable interpretation or recitation go unchallenged. It makes for vivacious and nuanced academia, but absolutely horrible political organization.

Equivalent to saying the only expert on Branch Davidianism is a member. Pretty ridiculous.

Academia attracts Marxists because 1. It was deliberately targeted for infestation by pseudo-Marxist states decades ago and 2. It stuck and grew as college became a totally non-exclusive continuation of high school because Marxism is about the only political ideology so empty and nonsensical that it doesn't risk alienating any particular group of students. Everyone else gets some biological-revisionism ("egalitarianism") and the promise of a 0-hour work week. I love how you clowns try to over-complicate such a lowest common denominator ideology.

You're confusing fascism's rejection of economic determinism for 'not having an economic philosophy'.

Here is the basic philosophy: The mixed model, which is now dominant globally anyway. Marxism and capitalism are both forms of economic determinism which developed in parallel and assume that the nation must adhere to the demands of economy. Hence the redundancy of their 'growth', rarely inherited by the offspring of the original civilization. The fascist solution to this redundancy is to reject economic determinism entirely; a fluid and ever-adapting mixed model will instead adhere to (and assist in preserving) the nation. It's not a lack of philosophy, its a more advanced shuffling of priorities.

 

[Trotsky]

So only a Marxists can explain Marxism? That sounds like an excellent idea.

Doctrinally, yes, for the most part in my experience. Historically, of course not.

I can enrol in any University in Germany. And study political science or history and specialises in Marxism.
And chances are good the professor is a published expert on the subject. At the very least an expert.
Most likely neutral or moderate against or for it.

Especially with East Germanies history, that has brought forward a lot of experts see Marxism very critical.
Some have even attended the Institute for Marxism-Leninism.

Then, by all means, please do. While I cannot guarantee that you'll leave a Bolshevik, you will certainly gain some perspective on how to resolve the apparent contradictions and criticisms from post-Cold War capitalists.

 

[Lex Bigelow]

Bauhaus is a disease.

 

[tramendous]

I don't know about "Marxists" but there's some very powerful people behind all this gender bending shit, big money and influence. It's been an impressive feat of social engineering that I feel will be studied for centuries, if we don't somehow blow up the planet that is.

It makes sense since they can sell products that were traditionally male/female to both genders.

 

[EmpireShallFall]

If you're gonna use Marxist at least know what it means.

 

[sangreporsangre]

It makes sense since they can sell products that were traditionally male/female to both genders.

You're right of course, but I doubt that they went to all this trouble just to boost eyeliner sales.