When did the change from conservatives to alt-right happend?

[slivercord]

Trump effect maybe? The right has shifted to a more extreme ground maybe fueled by trump rhetoric or with the help of websites like breitbart, who has "far right wing news" as a slogan. The fear mongering about immigrants and Muslims made them rally up behind a populist candidate? Help me out.

 

[Badger67]

There was no shift, they just feel carte blanche because Trump is president they can say or do anything.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

Is started with the Tea Party and becoming completely obstructionistsatisfied to anything Obama tries to do.

They lost control when Boehner stepped down. He realized he lost control of the nut house and gave up.

Trump was when the dog whistle turned into an air horn

 

[oldshadow]

When the left went far left they started the bull shit with alt right.

Then they lost and are doubling down on going left instead of coming back.

Each side has its fringe but the left is letting theirs lead.

Trump is not even that conservative.

 

[The Big Bang]

Trump effect maybe? The right has shifted to a more extreme ground maybe fueled by trump rhetoric or with the help of websites like breitbart, who has "far right wing news" as a slogan. The fear mongering about immigrants and Muslims made them rally up behind a populist candidate? Help me out.

That mess was already cowering in the woodwork.

And now that the USA has a WANNABE FASCIST president......................they they are in the open.

On a related note, EVERYTHING else aside, how can ANYONE like Trump for being SUCH A FUCKING CRY BABY WHINER......................................................

How?

Anyway.

 

[Lanx]

Trump is not even that conservative.

Word,

in what world can you be the oldest fucking white guy to ever run for President AND be the richest, while supporting gays and say you're conservative?

Ultra Conservative Christians had to eat dick and just go "fuck it, MAGA"

 

[panamaican]

There was no shift from conservatives to becoming alt-right. What's happened is that the 8 years the GOP spend obstructing OBama for no reason other than being a Democrat defied logic. As such it empowered the section of the GOP that had previously been kept in check by the more reasoned members of the party. The end result is that they drove down the voice of reasoned conservatives in fvaor of their own version of identity politics.

Actually, @PolishHeadlock wrote this better than I'm currently doing it. Read his post instead.

 

[CargoKing]

Someone saw trannies get accepted and figured the only counterpoint was some classic xenophobia....

Basically we've become two competing sides working not towards a common ground, but towards combative spectacle. America doesn't want two parties working together, they want them at war so they can pick sides and join the game.

I just wish we could stop and remind ourselves that the future of our country isn't a contest.

 

[Stoic1]

Proportional relationship with the left.

 

[Pwent]

When obama took office, gay marriage was illegal and even Hillary was publically against it... within 8 years the left calls you literally hitler if you don't call transgenders "she" when they go into the women's restroom

The left got control of the public narrative and went straight to crazyville, lots of people are pushing back against that

The left says "we've made a lot of 'progress'" but lots of people think that it is change for the worse

 

[TheComebackKid]

The left, and sjws parading as conservatives, still don't know why he won.

The reason Trump won is simple. The Dems are loons and the Republican establishment refuses to fight for the people. Trump came along, took all the popular common sense positions from both sides, and told both parties to screw themselves. The people saw him uncompromisingly stand up for their issues like no republican ever and said maga. End of story.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I think it sparked with GamerGate which sort of acted as a precursor and microcosm for this whole mess.

Basically, SJW gaming journalists entertained deep conflicts of interests with developers and increasingly antagonized their audience because the incentive structure of their sites depended on clicks and not quality. The clickbait articles they shit out were usually the sort of progressive SJW stuff that has become so well known nowadays. Gamers basically got annoyed and the whole thing blew open when some leaked a story about a developer of a shitty game sleeping with her games journalists for positive reviews and over time more of their collusion and conflicts of interests were exposed.

Gamers didn't care about "muh white genocide", they were just annoyed that gaming coverage became increasingly politicized and without merit. But because the gaming journalists were traditionally the mediators between the established media and the industry they painted a story of racist, sexists gamers who were harassing people. Milo and his ilk saw this as another battleground for the culture wars so he and Brietbart threw their hat in with GG. The thing is, GG is not really alt right per se. But sites like Brietbart were some of the few that told their side of the story. This also parallels the story on campuses; most young people on campuses who support Milo aren't racists and misogynists, they're simply revolting against what they see as a highly biased and compromised campus culture.

The alt right figures into this because sites like Brietbart sort of wink and nod at their types as well without necessarily embracing them entirely. So we see on the internet a new tent pole movement that brings people as different as gaming nerds and young people on campuses who just dislike what they see as an overly PC zeitgeist and actual white nationalists and racists who happen to agree with them on that but for very different reasons.

This could all happen because the traditional media and political elites, who sort acted like guardians into the establishment and would shut out the likes of Richard Spencer and Jared Taylor from even sniffing any sort of serious platform or power, lost their credibility over the years which only got worse as they were unable to distinguish between the meme warriors and the actual racists(hence Pepe becoming a "white supremacist symbol" lol). Trump probably didn't understand all this too deeply but he was able to ride this wave to the presidency.

 

[Beechwood]

Well, I don't know if alternate right is the good description. I'd say the change began when blue collar jobs, and now some white collar jobs, began to be shipped over seas or automated. The old idea used to work well for the Democratic party. When they stopped working smoothly, instead of adjusting in an evolutionary way, they in my opinion began a newer path.

 

[mmacasualviewer]

When they wanted to win Electoral college landslides.

Cowboy Dubya Bush & Clinton who had some positive attributes interfered with it.

The GOP hasn't won a landlside since they did the 100% truthful Willie Horton ad that triggered the dems to be really bigoted against anyone with the wrong amount of melanin.

 

[Bloodworth]

Trump effect maybe? The right has shifted to a more extreme ground maybe fueled by trump rhetoric or with the help of websites like breitbart, who has "far right wing news" as a slogan. The fear mongering about immigrants and Muslims made them rally up behind a populist candidate? Help me out.

What examples do you have of besides Muslims and illegal immigrants?
Because those are 2 common sense subjects, not alt.right.

Every illegal currently In jail for rape , murder, kidnapping to dwi would not have happened with proper border security.
Gangs like ms13 would not flourish
The good ones just take jobs and avoid income tax.
America just wants the same immigration penalties like counties like Mexico.

Muslims, it's very logical to freeze the immigration to study the impacts of economic stress and over population

Modern counties cannot accept young men of military age that have multiple identities. Especially in a time of war.

That would be like accepting young German men who swore there were not nazi.

That's not crazy alt right, there is really 1 to 4 groups our there that want to harm Americans. Common sense would be to block those countries.

Any one sent from Saudi Arabia has a passport and digital history.

What might be alt right would be to call America's illegal alien problem a refugee crisis. And I still don't think that's far off.

 

[TheFirstEMP]

When the liberals decided to start screaming bigotry (because they didn't get their way) and needed to label anyone on the right.

 

[Fawlty]

The right lowered themselves to accepting Trump in exchange for power. They didn't so much change to alt-right, they just let the alt-right cuck them.

 

[KONE]

I think it sparked with GamerGate which sort of acted as a precursor and microcosm for this whole mess.

Basically, SJW gaming journalists entertained deep conflicts of interests with developers and increasingly antagonized their audience because the incentive structure of their sites depended on clicks and not quality. The clickbait articles they shit out were usually the sort of progressive SJW stuff that has become so well known nowadays. Gamers basically got annoyed and the whole thing blew open when some leaked a story about a developer of a shitty game sleeping with her games journalists for positive reviews and over time more of their collusion and conflicts of interests were exposed.

Gamers didn't care about "muh white genocide", they were just annoyed that gaming coverage became increasingly politicized and without merit. But because the gaming journalists were traditionally the mediators between the established media and the industry they painted a story of racist, sexists gamers who were harassing people. Milo and his ilk saw this as another battleground for the culture wars so he and Brietbart threw their hat in with GG. The thing is, GG is not really alt right per se. But sites like Brietbart were some of the few that told their side of the story. This also parallels the story on campuses; most young people on campuses who support Milo aren't racists and misogynists, they're simply revolting against what they see as a highly biased and compromised campus culture.

The alt right figures into this because sites like Brietbart sort of wink and nod at their types as well without necessarily embracing them entirely. So we see on the internet a new tent pole movement that brings people as different as gaming nerds and young people on campuses who just dislike what they see as an overly PC zeitgeist and actual white nationalists and racists who happen to agree with them on that but for very different reasons.

This could all happen because the traditional media and political elites, who sort acted like guardians into the establishment and would shut out the likes of Richard Spencer and Jared Taylor from even sniffing any sort of serious platform or power, lost their credibility over the years which only got worse as they were unable to distinguish between the meme warriors and the actual racists(hence Pepe becoming a "white supremacist symbol" lol). Trump probably didn't understand all this too deeply but he was able to ride this wave to the presidency.

Zoe Quinn got Donald Trump elected single handily imo

 

[HomerThompson]

Well, I don't know if alternate right is the good description. I'd say the change began when blue collar jobs, and now some white collar jobs, began to be shipped over seas or automated. The old idea used to work well for the Democratic party. When they stopped working smoothly, instead of adjusting in an evolutionary way, they in my opinion began a newer path.

So, the late 1970's?

 

[SouthoftheAndes]

It's simple when fringe elements of the far left became mainstream in the Universities. Because of outlets like the Huffington Post it drives many sensible people away.

Not all of the left is driven by stupidity but Bill Maher has a point when he went off on how Democrats now are ultra PC and care about all this bullshit identity and appropriation thing.