When Did Jon Jones Start Using Steroids? (Chuck Liddell Explains)

[nick jacoby]

 

[EnterTheNinja]

He started at UFC 214 weigh-ins.

 

[SpinningCupKick]

Chuck's reach is about 2.5" shorter than Gus' and 4.5" longer than DC (who was able to get inside and crack Jon multiple times). And that's going on Chuck's measured reach from years ago which honestly looks a bit short when you actually watch his fights. All of the old fighters have suspiciously short reach measurements, I'm wondering if they've since changed the way they measure reach

Chuck was on TFATK (Schaub's podcast) maybe two years ago, and he talked about how he did his best to not fully extend when they measured his reach so that he would have an inch or two in the cage "that he shouldn't have". He basically wanted to land on guys from a distance that they thought he couldn't.

 

[MaveDeltzer]

Rampage just had Liddell's number, and his chin was on its way out anyway.

But Liddell's a bad matchup with Jones, who historically has had issues with guys he doesn't have a huge size / reach advantage over (IE: Gustafsson, Saint-Preux).

I think Liddell stays on the outside, eats a few jabs and oblique kicks, but eventually catches Jones with an overhand right, puts him against the cage, and tees off until the referee stoppage.

Not unlike old man Couture pulling off the win against then-unbeatable Tim Sylvia, who likewise had an insane size / reach advantage over the rest of the competition.

The truth about Jones is that his time was almost up anyway. Cormier was a good win, but again Jones is exceptional at exploiting his reach over smaller fighters. He wouldn't have had such advantages at HW, and would've been dealing with power he's not accustomed to.

As long as Jones didn't kick, clinch or take Chuck down he'd be doomed.

 

[Kansu]

Can you explain this arm twist? I'm picturing indian rope burn and I dont think he would fuck around doing that.

 

[MEAN357]

Most people who take PEDs 'cycle'. They don't live on the stuff 24/7. You can see how unimpressive Jon looks off the sauce.

dunno what the time frame of these are, could be that he was just on the off season or not training. Honestly its obvious he wasnt training in some of those pics lol. But even off the sauce you keep a good bit of gains you dont just turn skinny fat the day u cycle off. def looks juiced in those pics tho.

 

[GordonMMARamsey]

Most people who take PEDs 'cycle'. They don't live on the stuff 24/7. You can see how unimpressive Jon looks off the sauce.

Still hilarious that people take a pic from June/July 2013 when he was out of camp, not training, and partying 4-5 nights a week (drinking, smoking weed, and doing coke. He told Ariel this in their one on one while he was suspended) . And compare it to a picture from November 2015. When he is sober, training daily, focusing mainly on power lifting, and grappling.

If you want to say "Look at Jon on and off of PEDs" why not use the original picture of him before he started his came for Gus. And then a picture of him on the scale for the Gus fight? Show the transformation he has made in 8-10 weeks rather than the transformation he made in 2.5 years?

 

[GordonMMARamsey]

dunno what the time frame of these are, could be that he was just on the off season or not training. Honestly its obvious he wasnt training in some of those pics lol. But even off the sauce you keep a good bit of gains you dont just turn skinny fat the day u cycle off. def looks juiced in those pics tho.

June/July before the Gus fight when he was partying, and not training to Nov 2015 when he was Sober, suspended, and focusing on power lifting, and grappling.

 

[moreorless87]

Jones dodgy T/E ration in the first Cormier fight makes me think its not recent.

 

[Cooliox]

Prime Chuck VS Flaccid Jones would have been amazing

 

[GordonMMARamsey]

Jones dodgy T/E ration in the first Cormier fight makes me think its not recent.

What does DC's dodgy T/E ratio make you think?

 

[GordonMMARamsey]

Gotta wonder when Conor started juicing.

 

[tasticles]

Seems like a chicken shit thing to do despite not being illegal.

 

[GordonMMARamsey]

Seems like a chicken shit thing to do despite not being illegal.

Why is it a chicken shit thing to do? Because it hurt Glover? It's 100% legal. Should he fighters stop kicking, and punching each other in the head too?

 

[mkt]

MMA Math... When has jones EVER knocked anyone out with one punch? Rampage / Liddell is not a close comparison. Also, Rampage caught Liddell on a downturn. If Cormier could land on jones, Liddell kills him. Now, both on cocaine in the fight....? Who knows?

MMA Ignorance. Rampage beat Chuck twice. The first time Chuck was in his physical prime. Even if Chuck landed a shot or two, Jones has a great chin. He's fought Rampage, Shogun, Machida, Gus, Belfort, Teixeira and other KO artists, and no one has finished him yet.

Again, most likely Jones lands some kicks, clinches early, takes Chuck down with a trip or throw, then does whatever he wants from there. Chuck could defend double-legs against 40+ year old Randy or Tito, but Jones is a different beast when it comes to wrestling.

 

[mkt]

He never got caught. Jones did. We don't assume someone is guilty because they might have done something. What we know is Jones tested positive on more than one occasion, while Chuck never has.

There is also a moral difference between doing coke while partying and roiding when your job is to physically hurt others.

Again, Jones was never caught pre-USADA, either. That's the only real apples-to-apples comparison we can make. And LOL if you think Chuck worried about taking roids because he'd hurt people too much.

 

[countswagula]

Probably before he went professional, like most elite athletes

 

[Enigma87]

Again, Jones was never caught pre-USADA, either. That's the only real apples-to-apples comparison we can make. And LOL if you think Chuck worried about taking roids because he'd hurt people too much.

Again, Jones got caught roiding more than once and Chuck never did. They still had testing pre-USADA.

That is all we can go by.

 

[MEAN357]

If we're judging sheerly on physique which is the only real give away to steroid use id have to agree with chuck. I think it happened when he started power lifting while he was banned from the sport. Prolly been stuck on it since and or it fucked up his T production so now he feels like he HAS to have it. Could also give some credence to his use of dickpills. Roids might of threw him all outta whack now he needs the dick pills, who knows.

I just dont buy the whole 'he was never good it was only roids" shit the way he won fights didnt look like he had hulk strength KO power or endless cardio, he just had a better skillset and physical advantages. Lets not forget all the juiced to the gills motherfuckers he fought too. TRTfort, Chael, Machida ect. by that argument they all fought on even playing field and Jones still won.

Either way the guys a fuckin idiot

 

[007]

Roids, coke, you name it he will do it