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  1. Sinister Doctor of Doom

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    I can only name 1 or 2 uninteresting fights Floyd has ever been in. Not bad for such a "boring" guy.

    Pernell Whitaker, in his Prime and before cocaine addiction set in, was a perfect blend of everything. However, he wouldn't be dick without Benton. And yes, of course, Pernell did a lot of shit I wouldn't teach. But remember, what is it I really teach? Just a set of fundamentals, from there I advise and refine fighters' own ideas. I'm not going to do that any other way than myself. Georgie was himself, so he'd forgive things I might not, I might forgive things that may drive him up a wall. Billy Briscoe had a STERN disagreement with my "hard" right hands. lol, that had to be settled with a little fighter chess (my guy vs. his guy, his guy a World level Pro, mine an Amateur). It happens, and it's not the end of the World. Georgie became an excellent teacher after being an excellent fighter, a rare exception, and always referred to Whitaker as "my Masterpiece." But one look at Georgie and you can see Pernell's base forms:



    Assuming you CANNOT make the pilgrimage, I do remote training online from time to time. You can contact me directly about that here or on Facebook if you like.

    Oddly enough the idea has been proposed. For both myself and Dadi, he likes the idea more than me. I'm just too otherwise occupied to run production for that. If I had a video person THAT committed to it, I'd do it.
     
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    Oddly enough the idea has been proposed. For both myself and Dadi, he likes the idea more than me. I'm just too otherwise occupied to run production for that. If I had a video person THAT committed to it, I'd do it.[/QUOTE]

    If only I lived in vegas. Could the guy who records what videos do go up online do it?
     
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    Damn, Joseph's defense was amazing in that session. Reminded me that I still need to check out your thread on him.
     
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    Rahim is an alternate on the U.S. team. Alex is just getting back into sparring, training for the U.S. Western Nationals in March.

     
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    Seems like Romeo's corner and him are at odds about how he should fight. His coach wants him working his jab on the outside, changing angles and keeping Bandito turning, but Romeo wants to get in there and scrap. Any insight into what's going on there?
     
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    Romeo can't resist trying too hard, comes from having a Dad that won't stop yelling at him to try harder.
     
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    Here's a look at the short film our guy Alex made for when he and my fighter Za-Quan went to Nationals. Zay dropped a decision in the first round, but the guy he fought went all the way to the medal round and got robbed. After he saw that he felt a lot better because we only got to train for this for like a week, and he did better against the guy than the fighter who "beat" him:

     
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    As a father, I'm curious what your thoughts are on parental pushing to try harder?

    How much is too much? Too little?
     
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    It's hard to say. I think for one, it depends on how much trust there is between parent and child, and if the parent bothers to learn nuances of the thing they're pushing the kid to. AND is respectful of any trainer or teacher's job. Most of the time, in my experience, parents are either totally hands-off or overstep their bounds. It's rare to meet the knowledgeable involved parent.

    It's weird for me because my 3 year-old LOVES boxing. He's been doing stuff since before he could stand up. But I don't push him unless he tells me he wants to do something. Too many parents nowadays don't teach kids to honor their commitments. So if the kid asks me to go box, when we get there, you better box. But I don't want to actually train him. He's independent and opinionated, thinks he can push boundaries with me. If I ever train him I'll only do it if he requests it when he's of age to form an opinion of me as a trainer. Then, if he does, he's going to have to agree with me that when we're in the Gym, I'm not your Dad. I'm your teacher. You're no different than any other fighter I train.

    Mainly, I would suggest parents make a good decision as to who to teach their child, then leave them do it. And just give positive and negative reinforcement when necessary. I'd also suggest there be some kind of penalty for not honoring commitments. I see too many kids who honestly believe that quitting is a perfectly acceptable option when they're merely uncomfortable.
     
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    Thanks. As always, very informative.

    My son just turned 3 and I've been teaching the fundamentals of karate when he asks but I don't want to teach him anything beyond that myself so that's means a trainer when he's old enough and mature enough to respect what he's learning.

    The point about honoring commitments definitely resonates and I'm going to pay much more attention to that going forward.
     
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    cant comment on boxing/karate...

    one of my daughters moved w/me almost two years ago had never really done a competitive sport and tried basketball, because she doesnt look like an athlete and was out of shape and had a bad attitude noone helped her..pushed or tried to teach her the game.

    So it was on me to talk to her push her tell her what to do and how to do it.. she made b team and led them in rebounds blocks steals assists and third in scoring. That summer she made a aau team as an alternate, where alot of people swore she had played alot of ball because she didn't play like a kid who had only played for less than a year.

    second year things were better, but they still werent helping her so i once again made it a point to practice w/her and make her watch games and breakdown footage, they started her on b team and eventually she finished the last month of the season on a team.

    and now she has been scouted for multiple aau teams, and often times she is the least experienced person on the floor.

    now i don't know basketball at the level of these coaches and when she is w/coaches i tell her to follow what the coaches tell her to do, tell her she has to commit herself to the process and push her to be in the best physical shape...be aware on the court ..expand her knowledge of the team..and keep her skills sharp. i HELP her do that...but i don't overshadow the coaches, im not a coach (not really) i am just here to help.

    I was good enough to help her get to a certain point, im not good enough to get her beyond a certain point; i lack the experience and depth of knowledge.

    the biggest problem i see w/parents is that they either have no understanding of what the kid is doing or is into, meaning they won't have the kid honor commitments or be disciplined because they don't know what it is their kid is facing. We had kids whose parents knew nothing about the game of basketball and as a result didnt reinforce discipline or guidance or effort because they didnt know or care....

    the other issue is parents not being aware of their limitations in knowledge in a certain area, as much as you may think you know; you probably don't know as much as you think in many cases...esp in something that isnt your profession or your passion. So you have parents undercutting coaches or trainers when they don't have the knowledge to comment past a certain point or the time to commit to the process itself.

    its all about understanding what your kid is doing, and being respectful of your limitiations in knowledge and respect for the person who job it is to teach your child their art/sport; most parents don't take the steps to be able to assist their child regarding getting better or being men/women of their word.

    a small segment of parents have the balance to make a diff, but that is a small segment who really invest the time and effort into their kids development. This is probably the case in combat sports moreso than stick and ball sports..

    Sidenote all three of my big girls play high level basketball i referenced this one in particular because she literally came in w/no knowledge experience and i had to essentially build her whole game.. when i say the coaches didn't help her i mean they showed her plays and not anything else..her shot..rebounding..def..passing...everything else was me and her. Im not a basketball guy, not like that; but i got her to where she is at this point. Its like a little joke btwn us cause she has played for mult coaches who are respected in the area and they are like who taught you this and she is like my dad....
     
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    does his dad have a b/g in training or boxing or is he just telling him to try harder... secondly how many parents are really invested and interact w/you on a personal level to get your input or advice re: how their kids progress.

    in stick and ball sports that sort of disc and interaction is the norm...alot of parents are knowledgeable about what their kid is doing
     
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    I swear I thought I replied to you devante. Nah this kid's Father never boxed. Most of the "boxing Daddies" never did anything significant in the Sport. They just had big dreams and see their kids as clean slated on which they can draw their own pictures. Not many parents are invested and interact with me, but I prefer that they don't. I don't care for seeing parents hanging around the Gym, my concern is how many of them show up to the fights. Which is still not many. I have high level fighters and even their parents don't come.

    Anyhow, tonight is our First Friday exhibition. Remember we'll be live-streaming it via the Gym's FB page. I know the feed is crappy at times, but it's the best we got. 4g, or Wifi, and with a nice smart phone, the feed has still never been good.
     
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    curious why do you want them to show up to the fights, is it just a matter of extra support...backing of their kid in their endeavors.

    many combat sport guys i know said growing up having their parents invested in them, as far as support (emotional mental financial) contributed alot to their success. If it wasnt a parent there was someone who made a investment in them that contributed to their success.

    is that what you are alluding to when u discuss them showing up to fights...

    also if you had a parent who just took a genuine interest in understanding things and what their kid is learning would you rather not discuss it w/them or would u be willing to share that info.

    i don't know how boxing is firsthand cus i don't have kids who box; i have them in other sports and when it was time to consider teams they are playing for..i HAD to talk to alot of coaches...who were wanting my kids to be on their team or work out individually for them....
     
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    There's myriad of reasons I'd like them to show up to fights. One is, of course, so their kids get the impression their parents give a shit about what they're doing. That is pivotal to any person's confidence in general. Sometimes it's good when the kid has to go it alone because they develop that healthy competitive chip on their shoulder in the ever-present quest to prove themselves worthy of support, however, when they just plain don't ever get it, or it's fake, that often leads them to shitty life choices outside the ring. Escapism. Example: Mike Tyson. Tyson was always just looking to be loved and accepted, flaws and all. He said in interviews he never felt like "fans" were genuine in how they felt, and the people who really mattered honestly didn't give a fuck.

    The second reason is because I'd like to see the Sport grow. We had the Regional Golden Gloves last weekend. Hardly anyone showed up to see it. Imagine, this is Vegas, the mecca and hub of boxing in the U.S., and you had a 2-day tournament to determine who goes to National Golden Gloves. Champions from Washington, Oregon, Nevada, and Arizona all putting in their bids. Not only was the audience thin, but the venue was Santa Fe Station Hotel, and the Casino staff didn't even know the event was happening. People asking them where the ballroom was where the fights were to be held were met with shrugs and bewildered looks. That's what kills a Sport. No support on the grass roots level. And the tournament was good, the fights were good. Better even than the Thurman/Garcia bout. lol So if parents turned out for this like they did for basketball tournaments or football games, the Sport would grow.

    I'd be willing to talk turkey with parents to a degree. I have one girl I JUST started training who both her parents like boxing and like to ask me questions. But not necessarily in the sense that they want to actually know what I know about technique. Not because I dislike it, but because it's tedious. What I WOULD be interested in, is a part-time assistant trainer (perhaps a parent) who genuinely wanted to learn that kind of stuff. Learn how to do what I do. That's even more rare than anything in the Sport, and it would benefit both myself and the kids. There's a few people like that around, but the problem is it's fairly easy to tell when they're not genuine and have their own ideas and interests in mind.

    Speaking of good fights from the Golden Gloves, my guy Za-Quan won his bout. He's going to Nationals in Louisiana. Here's the championship match:

     
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    How many coaches are looking for that sort of thing, is it pretty rare...or pretty common

    thank you for your response ...appreciate you sharing your knowledge experience; an i appreciate the work you do...
     
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    I don't know the answer to that. But I'd like more of us to, for sake of the Sport. More of us to look beyond ourselves and our pockets.
     
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    Yea, the interest just isnt there now. Its all about football and basketball. Wonder what the problem is. It would be good to see Boxing in school like Wrestling is.
     
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    I think there's lots of interest from kids. Parents are the ones who shoot it down.

    But in all honesty, football and basketball only serve certain people well. There's size requirements if you want to make a career out of it. Boxing is more accessible career-wise, just not academically. If we could change that we could change the game. If the NCAA gave a fuck about Boxers.
     
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