What sport's position produces the best athletes?

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  1. Madmick

    Madmick Scholar of Taghaza Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Let me check. He was in the same rookie class as Armstrong above. As you know, lately the best athletes have taken to skipping the Combines because the risk of a poor performance isn't worth the damage to already soaring hype. Fortunately, Westbrook came into the league before that became a trend:
    https://stats.nba.com/draft/combine-anthro/#!?sort=PLAYER_NAME&dir=-1&SeasonYear=2008-09
    He ran a 3.08. I project that out to a 25m time of 3.30.

    So Westbrook beats Ronaldo in the 25m dash by roughly the same margin (-0.31) that Usain beats the last place guy in the Final Heat of the 100m Sprint at each of his respective Olympiads (-0.34s, -0.35, -0.24).

    Beijing (-0.34)

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    BTW, 6'11" Mamba beat Westbrook's time with a 3.04:
    Mavericks draft target Mohamed Bamba is faster than Russell Westbrook, report says
    You have a major misconception. The league is NOT populated with 6'0" stars at SG.

    Stephen Curry is 6'3". Kyrie Irving is 6'3". Westbrook is 6'4". Harden is 6'5".
    1. Isiaiah Thomas (5'9")
    2. Jameer Nelson (6'0")
    3. Chris Paul (6'0")
    4. Kyle Lowry (6'0")
    5. Mo Williams (6'1")
    6. Allen Iverson (6'1")
    7. Kemba Walker (6'1")
    8. Rajon Rondo (6'1")
    9. Jeff Teague (6'2")
    10. Tony Parker (6'2")
    These are the only players in the last ten years of All-Star games to make the roster who were under 6'3", and all of them are point guards-- ball handlers. Iverson is the only one whose style is closer to a SG, and whose primary focus was on scoring rather than playmaking. They're grabbing about 1/24 slots, and as you can see, that's only by expanding our range to 6'2".

    Additionally, I suspect guys like Jameer Nelson and Mo Williams might not even be there if it wasn't for the rigid positional structuring of the All-Star rosters (i.e the "Guard" quota and the East/West divide).

    Even in the age of the Downtown Moneyball, 6'0" is too short to expect to reach the highest echelon of elite players in the sport. There currently doesn't exist a 6'0" superstar in the league. Chris Paul, now sidekick to Harden, who has enjoyed praise as the best PG in the league for most of the past decade across the coach polls, is the closest thing. Lowry is probably the most significant player behind him. These guys aren't even their own franchise player. Ironically, because he is such a skill-intensive player, whose game relies more on his tactical intelligence, most aren't aware how athletic Chris Paul is. He had a 38" max vertical leap as a prospect (6th best in his class, and dunk legend Gerald Green with 39" is the only significant name ahead of him).

    6'3"-6'7" is the current height paradigm for SG in the NBA.
     
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    Chris Paul was exactly who I was thinking of when I posted that. In all of these "if our best athletes played soccer" discussions, I see guys smaller, quicker, more mobile guys like Paul, Adrian Peterson, etc doing better than the Lebron's and JJ Watts of the world.
     
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    Probably, considering that height isn't being selected for as aggressively, since ballhandling is so much more important in soccer than basketball, and that's really where the shorter limbs are a marvelous advantage.
     
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    If they haven't been mentioned Rugby Union wingers.

     
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    And not just rugby union. Plus I would say that modern full-backs and outside centres are similarly good athletes.
     
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    Also, you have to state what the conditions are that the person is living.
     
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    Well, they've got the fastest floppers and rollers for sure

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    Aussie Rules players are fit as fuck, more built for endurance than power these days though.
     
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    For sure, don't think there is any doubt...I am not sure about all the technical stuff like that fella mad mick but when you consider the fitness the players need, the leaping ability, the strength and explosiveness, the hand-eye co-ordination, they must be up there. Really impressive.
     
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    TE in football and LB is pretty well known for being balanced athletically
     
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    Gaelic games and Aussie rules don't have a large enough talent pool to boast the best athletes.
    Rugby's best athletes are split between Union, League and Sevens. No individual code has a large enough talent pool to claim the greatest athletes.
    Basketball has a goal that is arbitrarily suspended 10 feet off the ground, massively advantaging taller athletes.
    Volleyball/Beach Volleyball have the same problem, the net is arbitrarily suspended 8 feet high, massively advantaging taller athletes.
     
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    Come on guys, it's clearly gawlph.
     
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    Former pro soccer player Adam Gemili ran 100m in 9.97s, faster than all but one NFL player ever.
    Gemili played soccer at a really low level though.
     
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    I'd say Saquon Barkley and most other NFL RBs are better athletes than the Ronaldos or Messis of the world. Comparable speed, 10x as much power, strength, explosiveness and really only a disadvantage in explosiveness.
     
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    Running Backs and Linebackers.
     
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    Well Messi, Ronaldo etc. aren't even a comparable kind of athlete surely. Dribbling a soccer/football I assume takes completely different athletic (not to mention skill) capabilities than tucking an american football under your arm and sprinting with it/making cuts/reading blockers.
     
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    You were right about everything but speed.

    They're also way, way, way faster.
     

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