What sport's position produces the best athletes?

No rugby booty shorts are much better
 
Ted-P said:
Interesting, I always thought the opposite.

From my limited knowledge, genetic pre-disposition will always drive the athlete toward the sports that they are most likely to excel in.
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Yes and no.

Being from Venezuela most of the country's top athletes play baseball. But I have found several players when I was a scout who could have been great at other sports.

The thing is in Venezuela the main sport is baseball. I once met a 6'8 pitcher with a killer fastball but I saw him do a open gym work out and man he had amazing athletic movement. And apparently he was a national team basketball player when he was younger.

But our best coaching is in baseball and best opportunities in baseball.

Sometimes it depends on the opportunity and player.
 
Is anyone going to claim that Lebron isn't the best athlete in the world? I'd say the answer to the thread is SG in basketball. Some outside LB's and DE are athletic monsters.
 
Rum said:
NFL players would be shithouse at other sports.

Zero endurance = getting left in the dust in a real sport.
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And Soccer, Basketball, etc... players would get murdered on a football field. I could promise you this, a football player would do better at other sports than these guys would do at football.

The only thing a soccer player or whatever would have over an NFL football player would be endurance, that's it.

This rookie broke the long jump world record, and that wasn't even the goal. He was just long jumping because everyone does it.

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And the leaping ability rivals anyone in the NBA

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His vertical was mesaured there at 44.5 inches.

For comparison, from ESPN

The current reigning monarch of the air is LeBron James. With his vertical leap reportedly measuring in at somewhere north of 40 inches (the NBA average is in the high 20s)
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Oh, and he ran a 4.36 40 yard dash.
 
Lol at saying football players have zero endurance. Fucking high school football players would run 5-10 miles routinely at my school.
 
MadSquabbles500 said:
But baseball players are mostly just standing around or sitting down. It is not a strenuous sport. That is why it is so popular in countries that are too humid during the season like DR, PR, and Venezuela, the US southeast.
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Well, I'd originally highlighted outfielders. But this wasn't a question of which sport is the most strenuous - if it was then wouldn't marathoners be the right answer or gymnasts? Certainly not NFL athletes who only play half the time and even then the competition requires short bursts of intensity and not sustained effort.

I read the question as which sport produces the best athletes - meaning that after playing competitively which athletes have developed the broadest range of skills.

The NFL doesn't produce the best athletes. It pre-selects the best athletes and then makes them specialists. No one who plays D-line in the NFL develops skills for a position like QB or a wide receiver. That's not a knock on their athleticism just on what the sport turns great athletes into.

Baseball (particularly outfield) requires athletes to improve their running, jumping, catching, throwing and tool manipulation. Name another sport that asks you to improve in so many areas?
 
panamaican said:
Baseball (particularly outfield) requires athletes to improve their running, jumping, catching, throwing and tool manipulation. Name another sport that asks you to improve in so many areas?
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I am sure there are lots of skills required in other sports too, but Hurling....

Jumping and Catching

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Tool manipulation


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Throwing (well hand-passing...)

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Of course Running is a given as the game is played at a much higher pace than something like baseball (not a knock on baseball). It's the fastest game on grass.
 
There is a good documentary where players/former players from different sports (Soccer and Baseball) swap to Gaelic Football and Hurling and vice versa. Jackie Tyrell from Kilkenny went to the Miami Marlins for a while...they were impressed by his catching without a glove, go to 21 minutes.

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At the end he takes a fastball from some ex-MLB pitcher, not sure of his name and manages to hit a fastball. The coaches were impressed with him too.

Baseball no doubt takes a lot of really specialized skill though, for batting and pitching. The speed of the ball is crazy, they must have class hand-eye coordination.
 
Rimbaud82 said:
There is a good documentary where players/former players from different sports (Soccer and Baseball) swap to Gaelic Football and Hurling and vice versa. Jackie Tyrell from Kilkenny went to the Miami Marlins for a while...they were impressed by his catching without a glove, go to 21 minutes.

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At the end he takes a fastball from some ex-MLB pitcher, not sure of his name and manages to hit a fastball. The coaches were impressed with him too.

Baseball no doubt takes a lot of really specialized skill though, for batting and pitching. The speed of the ball is crazy, they must have class hand-eye coordination.
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I'll admit I've never heard of hurling but it definitely meets my definition for this question.
 
Corona said:
I would say absolutely yes, even kickers in the NFL know how to tackle lmfao.
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I mean against that level of competition. I doubt Ade Pete has had to tackle anyone after high school. And back in his day, they did not have out of state games really. So for the most part AP was tackling cupcakes, if he did play both sides.
 
panamaican said:
Well, I'd originally highlighted outfielders. But this wasn't a question of which sport is the most strenuous - if it was then wouldn't marathoners be the right answer or gymnasts? Certainly not NFL athletes who only play half the time and even then the competition requires short bursts of intensity and not sustained effort.

I read the question as which sport produces the best athletes - meaning that after playing competitively which athletes have developed the broadest range of skills.

The NFL doesn't produce the best athletes. It pre-selects the best athletes and then makes them specialists. No one who plays D-line in the NFL develops skills for a position like QB or a wide receiver. That's not a knock on their athleticism just on what the sport turns great athletes into.

Baseball (particularly outfield) requires athletes to improve their running, jumping, catching, throwing and tool manipulation. Name another sport that asks you to improve in so many areas?
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We really do need better parameters, and it is the OP's responsibilty to set them.

Marathon running is strenuous in one aspect only. Same with gymnastics. They have a narrow focus, and narrow range of movement and requirements.

Baseball requires a wide berth of abilities, but they dont really use them to the max. In fact they hardly use them to the max. Very rarely does the centerfielder run to the fence, jump and save the home run, and then laser the ball back to home plate and put out the guy. A short stop and Second base get more action, but their variety of motion is very limited.
 
At the end of the day, in my book the best athletes are the ones who excel at their sport.

History is full of athletic freaks who were scrubs on the playing field compared to their less athletic counterparts, so how do you really define what makes a good athlete?
 
MarkyMcFly said:
The only thing a soccer player or whatever would have over an NFL football player would be endurance, that's it.
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Nah, the fastest soccer players have acceleration, straight line speed and agility which leaves football players in the dust.

You have to remember that while football seems like a big sport to America it pulls from a relatively small talent pool compared to soccer, which takes athletes from all over the planet. A larger talent pool is more likely to find more talent. That's a no-brainer unless you're a brainwashed American.


I mean, just look at the fastest players IN NFL HISTORY:

Fastest OF ALL TIME = Chris Johnson, RB 4.24 seconds for a 40 yard dash. That's 8.62 m/s.

Now look at the fastest soccer players in the English Premier League alone, so not including Spain, where Ronaldo and Messi play, or Germany, the league of the World Champions, or any of the other top 5 or 6 pro soccer leagues:

Ashley Williams plays for a mid-table team, is not even a striker or winger (generally the fastest players) and clocks 20.98 mph. That's 9.38 m/s. And he's ranked about 20th fastest in just one of the top 5 or 6 leagues.


Maybe it's because they wear all that goofy-as-fuck padding but watching football players try to change direction or accelerate compared to soccer players is like watching B-52s try to dogfight compared to F-18s.

It's not football players' faults all that dorky gear makes them look so lumbering and clumsy, but the numbers don't lie. Even soccer players from mid-league teams leave the best football players in the history of the game far in their wake when it comes to speed and acceleration. And, yes, endurance.

I mean, fuck, look at the balance, agility and fast-twitch of Jose Aldo. This is a guy who couldn't make it in soccer because he's too small, but P4P he's an elite specimen. And there are thousands like him - and better - in soccer.
 
Rum said:
Nah, the fastest soccer players have acceleration, straight line speed and agility which leaves football players in the dust.

You have to remember that while football seems like a big sport to America it pulls from a relatively small talent pool compared to soccer, which takes athletes from all over the planet. A larger talent pool is more likely to find more talent. That's a no-brainer unless you're a brainwashed American.


I mean, just look at the fastest players IN NFL HISTORY:

Fastest OF ALL TIME = Chris Johnson, RB 4.24 seconds for a 40 yard dash. That's 8.62 m/s.

Now look at the fastest soccer players in the English Premier League alone, so not including Spain, where Ronaldo and Messi play, or Germany, the league of the World Champions, or any of the other top 5 or 6 pro soccer leagues:

Ashley Williams plays for a mid-table team, is not even a striker or winger (generally the fastest players) and clocks 20.98 mph. That's 9.38 m/s. And he's ranked about 20th fastest in just one of the top 5 or 6 leagues.


Maybe it's because they wear all that goofy-as-fuck padding but watching football players try to change direction or accelerate compared to soccer players is like watching B-52s try to dogfight compared to F-18s.

It's not football players' faults all that dorky gear makes them look so lumbering and clumsy, but the numbers don't lie. Even soccer players from mid-league teams leave the best football players in the history of the game far in their wake when it comes to speed and acceleration. And, yes, endurance.

I mean, fuck, look at the balance, agility and fast-twitch of Jose Aldo. This is a guy who couldn't make it in soccer because he's too small, but P4P he's an elite specimen. And there are thousands like him - and better - in soccer.
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Basically, Ronaldo would be one of the 3-4 lightest football players in the NFL, he's one of the fastest players in the world's most popular sport -- which has the largest pool of players to draw from -- and he still runs only a 3.61 in 25 meters. Is that fast or slow?

25 meters is about 82 feet, or 27-28 yards. Projected out to 40 yards, it would mean that Ronaldo ran a 5.28 40-yard dash. As in, that would be the slowest time at the NFL combine most years, and usually run by a 360lb nose tackle. But this is a 175lb world-class soccer player who is also one of the top 5 fastest players (it would already be a slow time for a world-class player who has mediocre playing speed).

So your silly comment of "It's not football players' faults all that dorky gear makes them look so lumbering and clumsy, but the numbers don't lie. Even soccer players from mid-league teams leave the best football players in the history of the game far in their wake when it comes to speed and acceleration. And, yes, endurance." is completely bogus, the video below actually argues that Ronaldo's sprinting technique is actually quite sloppy. I guess playing a D level sport like divegrass requires less technique than "clumsy" football. lmao!!!




Also this.

http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000537507

Max Speed (Ball Carrier)
The fastest ball carriers during Week 2 all topped 21 mph during individual plays: Pittsburg Steelers wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey (22.01 mph), New York Giants wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. (21.74 mph), Washington Redskins running back Matt Jones (21.64) and Cleveland Browns wide receiver Travis Benjamin (21.42 mph).


There's also a video of an NFL player running 25 mph on a treadmill, lmao!!!

My point here is that in a 40 yard dash NFL players would burn soccer players, because they practice it. Your article only shows the runners top speed at the height of their acceleration, which is different. The second link I provided does the same thing and essentially shows that NFL players are just as fast if not faster, all while being larger, stronger and more powerful.


And for the record I don't think there's anyone in the NFL named "Ashley" lol!!!!


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Corona said:
Basically, Ronaldo would be one of the 3-4 lightest football players in the NFL, he's one of the fastest players in the world's most popular sport -- which has the largest pool of players to draw from -- and he still runs only a 3.61 in 25 meters. Is that fast or slow?

25 meters is about 82 feet, or 27-28 yards. Projected out to 40 yards, it would mean that Ronaldo ran a 5.28 40-yard dash. As in, that would be the slowest time at the NFL combine most years, and usually run by a 360lb nose tackle. But this is a 175lb world-class soccer player who is also one of the top 5 fastest players (it would already be a slow time for a world-class player who has mediocre playing speed).

So your silly comment of "It's not football players' faults all that dorky gear makes them look so lumbering and clumsy, but the numbers don't lie. Even soccer players from mid-league teams leave the best football players in the history of the game far in their wake when it comes to speed and acceleration. And, yes, endurance." is completely bogus, the video below actually argues that Ronaldo's sprinting technique is actually quite sloppy. I guess playing a D level sport like divegrass requires less technique than "clumsy" football. lmao!!!




Also this.

http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000537507

Max Speed (Ball Carrier)
The fastest ball carriers during Week 2 all topped 21 mph during individual plays: Pittsburg Steelers wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey (22.01 mph), New York Giants wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. (21.74 mph), Washington Redskins running back Matt Jones (21.64) and Cleveland Browns wide receiver Travis Benjamin (21.42 mph).


There's also a video of an NFL player running 25 mph on a treadmill, lmao!!!

My point here is that in a 40 yard dash NFL players would burn soccer players, because they practice it. Your article only shows the runners top speed at the height of their acceleration, which is different. The second link I provided does the same thing and essentially shows that NFL players are just as fast if not faster, all while being larger, stronger and more powerful.


And for the record I don't think there's anyone in the NFL named "Ashley" lol!!!!


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But there is a Todd Gurley, and once a Kailee, and lets not get started on the fool Manti Teo.
 
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