What possesses strikers to take down BJJ blackbelts?

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  1. filthynumber1

    filthynumber1 Silver Belt

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    I mean from Mike Perry taking down Cerrone to all the way back to Tim Slyvia taking down Frank Mir. Its mind boggling.
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    I know the list goes on but help me out with other examples of this happening.
    and why?
     
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  3. VinceArch

    VinceArch Venom in the veins.

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    I remember thinking why the hell did Melvin Guillard attempt to take down Diaz after his little show boating. That was a fight he was largely winning.

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    Not sure Mark Hunt used to do it early in his career too.
     
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    Sometimes when you see an opportunity it's hard to pass it up.
     
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    Low Fight IQ .
     
  8. cevo

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    Ego and proving a point maybe. Also it's possible he was worried about Cerrone's head kicks.
     
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    Exarch01 Blue Belt

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    Getting out-struck
     
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    Rygu Black Belt Platinum Member

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    Fatigue, hurt, retardation

    One of those.
     
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    In Mike Perry's defense he was by far the worse striker too.
     
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    rurouni Black Belt

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    when the bjj blackbelts are winning at striking
     
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  13. It Just Is

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    Probably because they're not comfortable on the feet anymore. It was subtle, but lowkey Cowboy was jabbing Perry's face off. Perry freaked out. Conor was eating 1, 2s against Diaz in the first fight and shot for a TD.

    Not all of them think they'll just get dominated on the ground so fast, but when they're catching their breath and starting to regain their composure, it's already too late. Maybe they should be more confident in their standup or cardio...
     
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    I agree.
    Fatigue is probably an underrated reason for inexplicabke takediwns. Not every fight can be like Zombie-Yair, where they seemed content to agree to give each other breaks mid-fight (not complaining, I actually enjoyed it - recharge and throw more crazy strikes).
     
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    Remember when Fedor fearlessly went into Big Nogs guard? General consensus was that willingly going to Big Nogs guard was stupid. Many years later, staying in Werdums guard was his downfall.
    Fedor is a sambo and judo expert and not a pure striker of course, but still.
    Some guys are well rounded or think of themselves as well rounded, strikes on the ground change the ground game also. Even in training with softer strikes it can mess with pure grapplers a lot.

    I could see in Perrys case it is either lack of fight IQ, or not being able to handle the adrenaline while fighting(which could be seen as bad fight IQ I guess). So he gets overly aggressive and makes careless decisions.

    Could be nerves also. When playing up variations of the fight in your head leading up to the fight, the ground might be what you are most worried about, while you also have trained a lot to improve your ground game, training for specific situations for this particular fight. Cage door closes and the adrenaline sets in, you might even take it to the ground to shut up the nerves and in a way rush the scenario you've trained for and worried about...
     
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    Bad coaching from Mike "Million Dollar Man" Winkeljohn.
     
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    Different energy systems, but grappling is a lot tougher on your cardio generally.

    Also this was in the first round. I think Perry was over-confident and just wanted to score some points at the end of the round.
     
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    It is rather crazy. I think some just feel they would get a scoring bump with getting a take down and then be able to ground and pound the opponent. Huge mistake as many have come to realize.
     
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    Caught up in the moment maybe.
     
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    filthynumber1 Silver Belt

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    Hes only chance to win was on the feet. His corner should have grilled that into his thick skull.
    NO FUCKING TAKEDOWNS....EVER!
     

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