What happened to Sugar Ray Robinson in the Mayweather Jr GOAT discussion?

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  1. Sunfish

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    Dude. I give zero fucks and I’ll happiky catch a beer with you. From what I read you have zip idea where I live and to be honest I give no fucks these days. I know I can hurt people and that doesn’t let me wear kovalevs man bag. We either hug it out or you walk into an ass kicking. I give zero fucks anyway it happens. Get on the hugger team and we can talk stories about what we do to bayley. I’m not a fag and I know what I’m doing, leave it at this and be friends in the forum and talk boxing?
     
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    Since you accused me of not going deep enough, feel free to post his resume minus the bum of the month club, so we can see how it looks.

    I think many people have a misleading image of Robinson. When you take a closer look and ask yourself: Was he defensively the most gifted?
    Was he the best inside boxer? Was his resume really all that? I'd argue with no to everything.

    Secondly I think that many fans rank him at no. 1 just because they see it elsewhere.

    Those are basically my points. I don't say he's vastly overrated, but certainly overrated.
     
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    You’re an uncouth imbercile, you can’t get along with people, you can’t function with people. You always try to hurt someone and kill someone. Try to love someone.
     
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    Are you an idiot or are you someone I used to have sexy time with. Take any of my friends and get them to tell you I hurt people. I don’t. I’m a recovering addict who leads a normal life these days. If you want to meet the girl I see these days she’s younger than me and sexier than Sergio. Please stop following me round the forum for no reason. Thanks.
     
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    What were you addicted to?
     
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    Why do you care?
     
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    C‘mon, open up a bit.
     
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    This is easily the creepiest thread I have ever stumbled upon.

    It feels like it's gonna end with one of you missing and the other guy being blamed for it on an episode of Unsolved Mysteries.


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    What I said is that lots of people went as deep as you did and drew different conclusions. Don't imply that people are stupid because they do not happen to think like you do. Lots of people do believe that the Earth isn't flat, they just processed the evidence for it.

    SRR's resume is extremely deep, and you know it. He may not be the very best in every specific area, but the way he mixed it up as a boxer puncher can be considered as unique.
     
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  10. spacetime

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    I don’t care talking about it but I don’t know why you’re interested. I was a functioning alcoholic and I’m not anymore but one day at a time. You fellas are pretty clear from someone like me. When you wake up in the morning and your first thought isn’t how do I get wasted today. It’s not a cool feeling and I know people
    Say I lack discipline. If I don’t let if affect me I move along, craving for anything isn’t healthy and you will die young.
     
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    In the top 3 heavyweights of all time for sure. But I would say having him at 6th all time is more than reasonable. He was the most dominant Heavyweight champion of all time reigning 11 years but to me he doesn't have the resume like Robinson, Ali, Armstrong and others have.
     
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    Mayweather isn't really ever in a sensible GOAT discussion. Top 20? Maybe?
     
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    That's debatable. It's between Benny "The Ghetto Wizard" Leonard & Sugar Ray Robinson. Ali was never truly viewed as the P4P #1 fighter of his era, either. This is a good read.
    Pound-For-Pound: A History
     
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    He is according to himself:)
     
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    A good read, but one sentence stands out for me:


    Sounds familiar? The guy who from the past is usually preferred. It's still the same today.

    I read severel names in that article that could be called the best ever, Robinson is one of them, but he absolutely doesn't stand out.

    And I stand by the opinion that severel boxers who came after Marvin Hagler could potentially beat him.

    Think about this: If Leonard never returned to fight Hagler, what would people say today if you asked them if Leonard could have pulled it off?

    You'd read and hear things like "Are you crazy? Leonard was three years out, Hagler would have killed him" ... "Hagler was too strong, he would've finished Leonard inside of 5-6 rounds" ... "It would've been a mismatch".
     
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    I get your point. You can chalk that trend up to nostalgic preference.

    Gans was universally recognized as the best ever 135'er at the time as Leonard's predecessor. However, the origin of the term "Pound-for-Pound" wasn't traced back to Gans, it was traced back to Leonard (another one of the best ATGs in the division but also P4P recognized). I'm not arguing GOAT here but with which fighter the P4P/PFP term originated, and that's Leonard or Sugar Ray Robinson depending on which historian you ask. Leonard predates Robinson with the term but Robinson had the P4P accolade in a more formal capacity.
     
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    Not at all.
     
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    I think Hagler would have wrecked Robinson at 160.
     
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    Hagler has a shot, I guess, if he walks down Robinson and makes it a brawl. If he makes it a boxing fight, he's in trouble. He didn't like taller guys who could box.

    A key factor is that Robinson has one hell of a chin and he hits pretty hard, while Hagler is a bleeder. I think he may stop Marvin on cuts before Hagler chops him down.
     
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