What do dems think of Obama now?

You don't realize it but you are making his point for him. There are lots of objective people that don't align themselves with either party. These people swing the election.
Laughing my fucking ass off at "objective" people swinging the election. The swing vote is a huge factor in swinging election results, but they are not objective, and they are not some special class of thinkers. Mostly, they're dumb as fuck. Being on the fence, real or pretended, is not a virtue. Jesus.
 
There were some interesting declassified documents from Brazil's dictatorship that talked about the involvement of Carter on that mess. You may be interested on some of the findings
I would be
 
I would be
Carter basically tried to clean the mess of human right violations in the region and pissed off the local dictatorships. Balls.

SUBJECT

Human Rights Policy Impact: Latin America

The Carter Administration’s human rights policy is having a significant impact in Latin America. A good many Latin American govern- ments have reacted negatively, but some of these have nonetheless taken steps to improve their performance. There have been numerous indications of approval in important sectors of Latin American public opinion. Of course these generalizations should be treated with caution.

The United States Government’s new higher priority for human rights, as reflected in Administration speeches and statements, diplomatic representations, military aid cuts, actions taken on IFI loans, and Congressional hearings, has caused the governments of Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Guatemala, and El Salvador to reject, in whole or in part, security assistance predicated on human rights considerations (actually the Brazilian Government attributed its reaction to the issu- ance of our Brazil Human Rights Report, a decision made prior to the Carter Administration). Leaders in the seando thei rgovernments have

expressed resentment and concern, as well as some bewilderment, at the United States Government’s human rights stand. Many in Latin American ruling circles regard our actions and words as intervention in their domestic affairs and a self-defeating abandonment of old allies who are fighting a common enemy, international Communism. This reaction has been reflected in pro-government press comment, at least some of which has been directly inspired by local regimes.

National Security Affairs (Brzezinski)

Washington, May 11, 1977

Read the whole thing (385 pages!). It is fascinating, and also enlightening for someone who studied in Brazil and learned that my professors where full of BS when talking about the American role in those days.

https://jornalggn.com.br/sites/default/files/documentos/frus1977-80v24.pdf

I just wish Obama had half the guts Carter had.
 
Carter basically tried to clean the mess of human right violations in the region and pissed off the local dictatorships. Balls.

SUBJECT

Human Rights Policy Impact: Latin America

The Carter Administration’s human rights policy is having a significant impact in Latin America. A good many Latin American govern- ments have reacted negatively, but some of these have nonetheless taken steps to improve their performance. There have been numerous indications of approval in important sectors of Latin American public opinion. Of course these generalizations should be treated with caution.

The United States Government’s new higher priority for human rights, as reflected in Administration speeches and statements, diplomatic representations, military aid cuts, actions taken on IFI loans, and Congressional hearings, has caused the governments of Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Guatemala, and El Salvador to reject, in whole or in part, security assistance predicated on human rights considerations (actually the Brazilian Government attributed its reaction to the issu- ance of our Brazil Human Rights Report, a decision made prior to the Carter Administration). Leaders in the seando thei rgovernments have

expressed resentment and concern, as well as some bewilderment, at the United States Government’s human rights stand. Many in Latin American ruling circles regard our actions and words as intervention in their domestic affairs and a self-defeating abandonment of old allies who are fighting a common enemy, international Communism. This reaction has been reflected in pro-government press comment, at least some of which has been directly inspired by local regimes.

National Security Affairs (Brzezinski)

Washington, May 11, 1977

Read the whole thing (385 pages!). It is fascinating, and also enlightening for someone who studied in Brazil and learned that my professors where full of BS when talking about the American role in those days.

https://jornalggn.com.br/sites/default/files/documentos/frus1977-80v24.pdf

I just wish Obama had half the guts Carter had.
I'll be reading this whole thing when I get a little time to. Thanks for the share.
 
Spin master


What do we think of Obama for saying Russia wasn't a threat (because they weren't attacking America at that time) and then, when evidence appeared that Russia was attacking America's elections, trying to take steps to counter it (only to be blocked by McConnell)?

I can't imagine what we would think of a leader who can process information (and act accordingly) and who actually tried to take appropriate steps against Russians when they started cyber attacks on the American election.

But I can imagine what we would think of a leader who can't process information and never acts according to reality and who has never tried to take the appropriate steps against Russians when presented with evidence that they're waging a cyber war on American elections.
 
Laughing my fucking ass off at "objective" people swinging the election. The swing vote is a huge factor in swinging election results, but they are not objective, and they are not some special class of thinkers. Mostly, they're dumb as fuck. Being on the fence, real or pretended, is not a virtue. Jesus.

Still hurt over past election?

Trump is uniting Americans again after 8 years of the most divisive leader. Reelection will be a cake walk
 
Still hurt over past election?

Trump is uniting Americans again after 8 years of the most divisive leader. Reelection will be a cake walk
I think our country was hurt by the last election, sure. What, would you expect that I'd just randomly change my mind?
 
Carter basically tried to clean the mess of human right violations in the region and pissed off the local dictatorships. Balls.

SUBJECT

Human Rights Policy Impact: Latin America

The Carter Administration’s human rights policy is having a significant impact in Latin America. A good many Latin American govern- ments have reacted negatively, but some of these have nonetheless taken steps to improve their performance. There have been numerous indications of approval in important sectors of Latin American public opinion. Of course these generalizations should be treated with caution.

The United States Government’s new higher priority for human rights, as reflected in Administration speeches and statements, diplomatic representations, military aid cuts, actions taken on IFI loans, and Congressional hearings, has caused the governments of Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Guatemala, and El Salvador to reject, in whole or in part, security assistance predicated on human rights considerations (actually the Brazilian Government attributed its reaction to the issu- ance of our Brazil Human Rights Report, a decision made prior to the Carter Administration). Leaders in the seando thei rgovernments have

expressed resentment and concern, as well as some bewilderment, at the United States Government’s human rights stand. Many in Latin American ruling circles regard our actions and words as intervention in their domestic affairs and a self-defeating abandonment of old allies who are fighting a common enemy, international Communism. This reaction has been reflected in pro-government press comment, at least some of which has been directly inspired by local regimes.

National Security Affairs (Brzezinski)

Washington, May 11, 1977

Read the whole thing (385 pages!). It is fascinating, and also enlightening for someone who studied in Brazil and learned that my professors where full of BS when talking about the American role in those days.

https://jornalggn.com.br/sites/default/files/documentos/frus1977-80v24.pdf

I just wish Obama had half the guts Carter had.
I also think he was underated, nothing he's done since leaving office has changed my mind
 
I think our country was hurt by the last election, sure. What, would you expect that I'd just randomly change my mind?

Its hurts a lot more the BS made up by democrats about Russia to cover their loss. In 4 years they have another chance.

MEMEs don't win elections
 
Well he’s nothing like dubya and donnie- two guys of lower intelligence who rode their wealthy accomplished fathers coattails
 
I don't have a party but I feel strange that a draft dodger is running the show and is looking to go to war.
 
Obama had eight years to say this. Why wait until now?

National Review:

Obama: Don’t Silence People Just because They’re ‘White’ or ‘Male’

In an address commemorating the 100th anniversary of Mandela’s birth, Obama rejected the tendency, commonly embraced by those on the political fringes, to claim sole authority to speak about a given political issue based on an immutable characteristic such as race or sexual orientation.

“We’re able also to get inside the reality of people who are different from us so we can understand their point of view. Maybe we can change their minds but maybe they’ll change ours,” Obama said. “And you can’t do this if you just out of hand disregard what your opponents have to say from the start.”

“And you can’t do it if you insist that those who aren’t like you, because they’re white or because they’re male, that somehow there’s no way they can understand what I’m feeling, that somehow they lack the standing to speak on certain matters” he added.
 
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He made similar comments many, many times. You don't remember when I collected them for you after you misrepresented his views in a previous thread?

I don't remember :oops:

"You notice the people who you think are smart agree with you."

 
Obama's report card IMO:

Economy = A+, turned us from bust to boom
Foreign Policy = B-, strengthened the US's standing with our allies, and managed the wars he inherited well, but mishandled Syria.
Social Issues = C, was more of a follower than a leader in many areas, but at least he didn't get in the way of progress.
Civil Liberties = D, sided with corporations and the government over the rights citizens.
Obama wasn't really a great economy president. He wasn't BAD but he had the lowest workforce participation rate in decades and the majority of the jobs created were part time retail type jobs.
 
Obama wasn't really a great economy president. He wasn't BAD but he had the lowest workforce participation rate in decades and the majority of the jobs created were part time retail type jobs.

Perhaps the preceeding economic melt down he was handed was a limiting factor. Specifically when combined with the Congress he had for most of his Presidency following the deepest economic troubles.
 
I for one was deeply disappointed in Obama for being so corporatist and really not being who he seemed to be when I voted for him. It was my own stupidity to believe in him though and if I had done more homework on his voting record before voting it would have been less disappointing.

Now though? Fuck, we would be damn lucky to have an actual adult in the white house.

It's ironic but, in a way, what a lot of progressives actually fell for was the anti-Obama right wing propaganda.

I think many on the left heard what Obama was saying during the campaign and thought, "Wow... This guy is just another establishment centrist. Too bad."

But then they exposed themselves to all the sky-is-falling rhetoric coming out of the right-wing media echo chamber and decided, "Hmmm... These guys seem really up in arms. Maybe they're on to something. Everything Obama is saying now is just establishment cover. If he wins he's going to govern as a radically anti-corporate socialist. Whoopee! Go O!"

That's what happened to me at least. :(
 
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