What did Frank Shamrock do that Ken Shamrock didn't?

Lose to Bas Rutten?
 
Ken is the most hyped fighter in the UFC. He was terrible and they even made up a superfight title for him... He knew how to speak to the cameras, something the UFC was looking for at the beginning. Tito destroyed him in the second fight and he cried so much they gave him a third, took another beating!
First hw champ in UFC and hw champ in pancrase
you crazy ? He was best guy and would have ruled 96 97/8 if he didn't leave for WWF
You're right on selling him self. Good and funny talker
 
Arguably the most "ahead of his time" motherfucker to ever do it.

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The Legend
 
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Ken Is a legend, but i dont think he has a defining win.

When frank beat tito, tbh it was one of the craziest things, the way frank looked, the way he moved, the reflexes, conditioning and figthing sprit and not to mention technique, Frank was the best there ever was; i followed ken' carrer and expected alot, worlds most dancerous man yadayada. Ken looked cool and was strong as hell but never really had a meaningfull win. I guess he smashed ryoce in the rematch but never got the win so it was always missn somthing with ken.
Beating Severn was huge at time and first to fight for hw champion ship ken was underdog too and ken out wrestled the Greco master
 
Being a gym bully / genuine asshole and known world wide as such ??
 
He’s a totally different human being with different genes?
 
1. Frank avoided taking too much damage from bottom
2. Frank had gas forever
3. so when Tito eventually tired, Frank
a. started reversing takedowns
b. stopped takedowns
c. escaped​
4. and when Tito gassed and Frank didn't, Frank wrecked him

Ken didn't do #1, didn't have #2, and Tito never did #3. so Ken couldn't do 3.a, 3.b, 3.c or 4.

EDIT: in case anyone wants to see the fight HLs. including some sweet 12-6 elbows that weren't banned yet.

 
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It was a nice win frank played an awesome game plan
He knew Tito would tire . Ala George Ali.
Similar game plans really . He let Tito out grapple him
 
A while back someone made a thread about how these days you don't see a whole lot of vicious ground pound finishes perhaps like back in the day, then it got me thinking.

When it comes to Ortiz vs Shamrock, most of you know how it ended, and it just puzzles me that Ken Shamrock is probably a better, stronger, less well rounded version of Lion's den product, but Ken Shamrock got his shit pushed in with Ortiz on top of him GNP, but Frank Shamrock didn't really get much damage.

If you watch the fight, it doesn't look like there's anything really different that they do...

Sherdog Holmes, get your little grey cells working

Here’s your answer. Ken was always the hammer in training always had top position on the ground, so his game off his back was weak.

Frank was the little brother that took beatings from the bottom forcing him to learn and adapt.
 
Not really relevant because both of them (Bas and Frank) were pretty green back then.
And it was under Pancrase bitch slapping rules.

Ken was much more experienced at that time.
Basically, Ken was the only super strong man who had a basic command of submission grappling.
Once everyone else learned a little bit about it, Ken really had no way of winning fights against decent opponents.
Ken would have gotten absolutely destroyed by the Bas or Frank that fought in the UFC.
Laughable
They would never beat ken . Ken too strong and has better skill
Bas got owned twice vs him allowing full strikes wouldn't save him
 
Frank got out before the game caught up. Kept his legacy in tact.
 
Frank was a real martial artist. Ken did some martial arts but was more interested in selling himself as a brand.

Frank - real

Ken - fake

That's a pretty absurd assessment. Neither of them are fake martial artists. Shamrock simply left in pursuit of better pay in WWF, where he spent many of his best potential years. By the time he fought Tito he was battle worn and rusty. Just take a glance at his record after returning from WWF (2000 and on). Literally just loss after loss.
 
Legally fish with a spear...heyyyyooooooo!
 
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