We need to talk about the IV ban

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  1. Magx951

    Magx951 Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card Yellow Card Banned

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    Why do so many noob sherdoggers attribute everything to USADA when it comes to making weight?

    the IV ban was completely unnecessary with how the weight cutting works in the UFC, and it's caused a lot of havoc on fighters bodies.

    Not every fighter who looks smaller is "Post-USADA", they just had to adjust so that they could make weight.
     
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    Vitor had the best adjustment.

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    You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to derail by posting somebody who had a TRT exemption
     
  4. magicmarker

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    I don't mind it, if you're cutting all that weight to gain an advantage, then you should have to deal with the consequences of the weight cut without being able to rehydrate intravenously.
     
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    Fucking hate the IV ban,

    We should celebrate the fact guys can somehow cut 30lbs in a few hours and fight the next day for the glory of the Just Bleed God.

    Its an entertainment sport for fuck sake, they should be handing out TRT laced ice cream to fighters.
     
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    So you're saying that fighters cutting less weight is a bad thing??
     
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    what I'm saying is that if they're allowing people to do harsh weight cuts (which they are) then there is no good reason for IVs to be banned.

    If they wanted people to actually fight near their proper weight, they would have switched to a system like oneFC uses.
     
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    That's a good point. They allow dangerous behavior but not methods to make it less dangerous. Cutting a lot of weight is dangerous. IVs can help with that. There is a disconnect there. It is like allowing anorexia but not allowing them to eat.
     
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    in my perfect world, guys who weigh 190-200 would fight each other at 185 instead of fighting each other at 170.

    but of course the devil is in the (implementation) details. there are several examples of how this can be done, but so far none have taken hold across multiple AC's. and of course that's a different conversation for a different thread.

    the IV ban is, IMO, lipstick on the pig. i don't care if they do or don't have it. i've heard arguments it and the earlier weigh-ins help fighters, and i've heard arguments it and the earlier weigh-ins hurt fighters. both argument make decent points.
     
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    they can still use rectal rehydration. not as effective as an IV but it is effective.
     
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    oh and by the way, just a nitpick, but if you're going to go around calling other sherdogges noobs then you should probably know that the IV ban is part of USADA.

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    USADA adheres to the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) code when it comes to prohibited substances, and that prohibited list bans “intravenous infusions and/or injections” of more than 50 milliliters, which is less than two ounces, in any six-hour period. It makes an exception only for athletes who have received a therapeutic-use exemption, or for those who received the IV “in the course of hospital admissions, surgical procedures or clinical investigations.”

    That pretty much shuts down the common practice of post-weigh-in IV use, at least in theory.
    so when these so-called noobs "attribute everything to USADA when it comes to making weight" it does, in fact, include the IV ban. cheers.
     
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  12. MastiffMike

    MastiffMike The BIG dog is here

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    Banning IVs is more than just eliminating one way of re-hydrating, and has little to do with weight cutting (most sports don't cut weight yet the IV ban still impacts them).

    IVs fall into the category of "M2 Chemical and Physical Manipulation". Straight from USADA:
    "This medical practice is prohibited at all times without prior TUE approval. WADA has justified the inclusion of IV infusions on the Prohibited List given the intent of some athletes to manipulate their plasma volume levels in order to mask the use of a prohibited substance and/or to distort the values in the Athlete Biological Passport. Further, it must be clearly stated that the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to correct mild rehydration or help speed recovery is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature. There is a well-established body of scientific opinion to confirm that oral rehydration is the preferred therapeutic choice. Legitimate medical indications for IV infusions are well documented and are most commonly associated with medical emergencies (emergency TUE), in-patient care, surgery, or clinical investigations for diagnostic purposes."

    [SOURCE: https://www.usada.org/is-it-prohibi...g-iv-infusions-for-re-hydration-and-recovery/]

    Banning IVs was done to prevent using them from being used to cheat (and/or mask cheating), with the added benefit of IVs not being any more helpful for re-hydration than oral hydration.

    And just how often do you think IVs were being used (solely for post weigh-in hydration)? Because I don't think it was prevalent. Heck, even Bro-science God Mike Dolce doesn't think the IV ban impacts things: "the IV ban will probably mean very little"
     
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    if you need a IV after making weight somethings wrong ( wrong weight class maybe)
     
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    Whats IV? .... Inject viagra?
     
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    I had no problem with IVs. The ban would have interfered more if the fighters were not given an extra 8 or 9 hours to re-hydrate. It just makes sense to weigh in first thing in the morning.
     

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