WCW’s biggest f--- up

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  1. Michaelangelo

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    you have to be the most reckless and ungrateful promoter in the world to fuck up with stars like Hogan, Nash, Hall, Macho Man, Steiners, DDP, Goldberg, Flair, Bret, Sting, and Booker T

    all that talent and no direction
     
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    Not ungrateful. Just a bit inexperienced and ignorant of the business
     
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  3. Michaelangelo

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    maybe ungratefulness under the disguise of arrogance
     
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    Not using Benoit, Jericho, Eddie, or The Giant, in any useful form.
     
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    I’d also ad malenko and the luchadors as well
     
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    Kidman with the 7 year itch was gold

    WCW fucked up a lot of cool stuff
     
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    In general I'm not but I loved the slammies bit too. This wasn't too bad either.
     
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    Episode 213 of the JCE writes up exactly the time when WCW went to hell. 1988. Afterwards, it's a slow slow death.
     
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    What about Bret Fucking Hart.
     
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    Hmm. But they were old. WCW had a goldmine of younger dudes...

    The younger talent was fucked by NWO - Benoit, Guerrero, Jericho. Even Goldberg got fucked by the politics.

    But this was a corpse anyway once it left the SE, MW.
     
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    They got a double shot of metamphetamine to a terminal cancer patient. Sure he can dance and jig for a while but he’s dead.

    Hotshot the territory and killed it completely.

    Promotion was unsubstainable once it left its roots - in 1988. The rest is a slow death. Vince had an unshakable healthy core business even while he was being fucked every which way by the Turner cheque book. WCw has nothing apart from the Turner cheque book keeping it alive - walking dead.
     
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    Like you said, Eric got a blank cheque and he could give Vince a run for his money, making Vince a billionaire and killing WCW finally. WCW was dead in expansion form nonetheless.

    A core WCW in the SE, MW might have survived in 1994 and still be around this day in the same way as ROH. But not across the US and the world.

    TNA is around longer than WCW...
     
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    - Giving out guarunteed money:
    This attracted the old, and the lazy brothers. Why would you put on good matches when you're getting paid the same, regardless of whether people turn up or not?

    - Ignoring PPV.
    You got Hogan vs. Goldberg, for the first time ever, in the Georgia Dome, and it's for the title? Give that shit away for free! Nah, why make money on a supermatch?! That's stupid! They focussed so much on "beating" WWE, they gave their shit away for free. Had they have saved these matches for PPV, they'd have made money hand over fist.

    - Paying Vince Russo more than the wrestlers.
    Hall and Nash had a favoured nations, in the last year of WCW, Hall made $2.75 Million. Vince Russo apparently made $3 Million. What did they get for that $3 Million? Judy Bagwell on a pole, and "New York Street Rules" Wrestling.
     
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    Starcade 97, and Hogan/Nash and generally not elevating new talent early enough to create compelling television. It was one year too long with Hogan and Nash dominating, and with no one ever really beating Hogan to move into his spot when he left, it seemed like a step down even within the internal logic of the show.
     
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    They were dead by then.
     
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    You talking about The Pizza Guy?
     
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    Creatively: Not bringing the nWo to a logical conclusion in a War Games or similar match that brought the top WCW aligned guys (something like Goldberg, DDP, Steiners and the finally returned Sting) together, defeating the nWo and causing it to implode.

    Business-wise: Wasteful spending (including inflated contracts and poorly thought out cross promotion) and concentration on hurting WWE over protecting themselves (ratings reports, etc.)

    Short answer: Hogan. They wouldn't have gotten into Ted's checkbook without him but, if they could have gotten him to not be Hogan at a certain point...
     
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    It would probably be easier just to name things WCW did right post-1997, than to try and pinpoint which one of their plethora of mistakes buried the company.
     
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    Hogan was a double-edged sword. The Hollywood Hogan character was one of the best heels in the business and made the company a lot of money. But once the character grew stale, you'd stil be stuck with a Hogan that had creative control and not doing business even if it was best for the company.
     

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