Was Chucks boxing considered good

[Hotora86]

Cheers. I practice Shotokai myself so the only person who looks very familiar is Machida. Wonderboy is recognizable. Chuck to me is bizarre haha.

Always wanted to try Shotokai but there isn't a school in my part of the country. Do you really do kata really slow and fluid like Tai Chi almost?

 

[strongstylekarate]

From an mma point of view, it was effective.

His bar style unorthodox punching is what makes his fights exciting.

 

[Organic Damage]

Always wanted to try Shotokai but there isn't a school in my part of the country. Do you really do kata really slow and fluid like Tai Chi almost?

Not always slow, but yeah. A lot of our practices are almost aikido influenced these days, with redirecting people's momentum, joint locks, throws etc.

I haven't practiced in about 14 years and just started back so everything's crazy different now. The big schools outside Japan are in Scotland and France and they seem to "update" stuff a lot.

 

[HHJ]

Wether his "boxing" is good is irrelevant in mma. Was he an effective striker? Yes,he was.

 

[WalkenWouldOwn]

His striking backround was karate if I remember right. I've been around a long time and I don't remember Chuck ever being considered a good boxer. A good striker/kickboxer, sure.

 

[YeahNo]

How awkward as it seems comparing his style to modern day mma... yes

At that time Vitor was believed to have the "fastest hands", but without a doubt Chuck was the KO artist of that era.

Yeah, MMA has seriously evolved

 

[superpunch]

Chuck was one of the first successful Karate fighters in the UFC. Others that came after him are GSP, Machida, Thompson, etc.

 

[MescalineDreams]

Nothing Chuck did was boxing

 

[Tuf_guy]

Yes they did, even on Sherdog they talked about it.

I didn't see much of that. I remember people talking about his looping punches, but mainly it was "Could Chuck KO a mule" or "Chuck is overrated. He's lucky he gets to fight grapplers instead of strikers"

I honestly don't remember people talking about him in terms of being a "boxer" or "having boxing" at all.

 

[Swoliosis]

Terrible, good power tho.

That body punch he attempted at Rampage before the counter KO was awful

 

[Hotora86]

Not always slow, but yeah. A lot of our practices are almost aikido influenced these days, with redirecting people's momentum, joint locks, throws etc.

I haven't practiced in about 14 years and just started back so everything's crazy different now. The big schools outside Japan are in Scotland and France and they seem to "update" stuff a lot.

Update? Please elaborate?

 

[Beerus]

Legit skills.

 

[Organic Damage]

Update? Please elaborate?

Well when I first started you finished a punch with the whole fist turned over, so knuckles parallel to the floor. But now the fist isn't completely rotated 180 degrees from your hip to the end of the strike, it's almost like 120, so you avoid locking out the lats and tensing up your shoulder. Being Shotokai is a "soft style" avoiding tensing up is a big thing. We also use fudodachi stance waaay more in kata than we ever did before, it used to be zenkutsu in most of those situations. Weird stuff like that.

To be honest I'm not sure if it's the satellite dojos coming up with this stuff or if they're getting it from Harada Sensei when he periodically visits them from Japan.

 

[Brit_Brawler]

No he didn’t have good boxing. Shit defense and fundamentals.
He had good power and an unorthodox punching style which worked well for him. His timing was pretty good too.
His chin played a huge part in his success, he relied on it over actually keeping his hands up or head movement which is why he wasn’t a good boxer and it’s also why he declined so much.

He was a great MMA fighter though and his fights were always exciting win or lose.

 

[Area809]

Well he had the best chin for a while. He wasn’t necessarily a defensive wizard. He started using more footwork after the first Couture fight, but overall not too hard to hit. His best defense was his offense and dudes were afraid of those bombs.

 

[Hotora86]

Well when I first started you finished a punch with the whole fist turned over, so knuckles parallel to the floor. But now the fist isn't completely rotated 180 degrees from your hip to the end of the strike, it's almost like 120, so you avoid locking out the lats and tensing up your shoulder. Being Shotokai is a "soft style" avoiding tensing up is a big thing. We also use fudodachi stance waaay more in kata than we ever did before, it used to be zenkutsu in most of those situations. Weird stuff like that.

To be honest I'm not sure if it's the satellite dojos coming up with this stuff or if they're getting it from Harada Sensei when he periodically visits them from Japan.

Interesting about the fist rotation. I used to be a firm believer in fist rotation and hitting with the first two knuckles but last year I started having wrist pains, went to a good physio and lo and behold, apparently tilting the fist (too much) to focus blows on the 1st knuckle is really bad for your wrist! The physio himself did Kyokushin Karate for 10 years and hurt his fists many times. "The Chinese were right after all." - he told me, implying the vertical fist that is used in Kung Fu. I now think that the horizontal fist is generally better for boxing (and is still safe due to wraps/gloves) but the vertical is definitely better for self defense (faster, safer, less telegraphed). Best to know both.

More on topic:
https://www.expertboxing.com/boxing...niques/horizontal-punches-vs-vertical-punches
http://www.karatebyjesse.com/horizontal-vs-vertical/
https://www.academieduello.com/news-blog/punching-vertical-fist-or-horizontal/

 

[tenniswhiz]

Of course his hands were but overall boxing, I remember Dana saying he had the best boxing in mma at the time until Rampage came along

He wasn’t really a boxer.
He trained in some hardcore Americanized cult style of Karate, forgot what it’s called.
He had good wrestling but he mainly used it for TDD.

 

[SamboPunch]

In MMA? Yes.

 

[SamboPunch]

He wasn’t really a boxer.
He trained in some hardcore Americanized cult style of Karate, forgot what it’s called.
He had good wrestling but he mainly used it for TDD.

kenpo

 

[Bend NvR Break]

He wasn't a boxer he was a karate specifically kenpo specialist.

Is WB a boxer because he can knock people out with his hands?