WAR ROOM LOUNGE V17: The Stuff Under Your You-Know-What

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It's a really terrible look for everyone involved.
It pretty much cements the notion that some fighters can simply afford to cheat while others cannot.
Unequally enforced testing is terrible in that it means certain people can use the process itself to create an advantage.
Just a massive black eye. It's so fucking transparent. I know the trolls love gloating over it, but it shouldn't matter that it involved Jones. ANYONE benefiting from such blatantly biased testing enforcement should be called out.

The more i read on it the more i think its a completely new area -- the 4 years are still on the table but he has to cooperate in busting other people? I initially thought he got off because of name value but there is a major caveat to this which is interesting or could be completely fucked up. I hope it doesnt get forgotten in the coming months after he returns.
 
Wait, are you actually claiming that we should be more lenient on him because he could easily kill people and chose not to?

What are you trying to say here?
No, I am saying that punishing him for his actions rather then the outcomes is justice. Punishing him for the outcomes is something fairly modern legally speaking.

I think anyone that attacks someone should be judged the same. If society decides that should be harsh then so be it. But applying a different standard to individuals based on the outcomes caused by varied levels of ability isn't justice. Although there is an argument for it that isn't based on justice but practicality.

You keep saying he almost killed her, he could have almost killed her with a single punch. Should be punished for almost killing her? or for punching her? You are trying to pretend the answer to that is self evident. It is not.
 
Thank you for staying on topic

Why is attempting to rape your ex girlfriend at knife point, and then beating her half to death for moving on a "normal" reaction to you?

I think your stance on that puts your entire character into perspective.
 
No, I am saying that punishing him for his actions rather then the outcomes is justice. Punishing him for the outcomes is something fairly modern legally speaking.

I think anyone that attacks someone should be judged the same. If society decides that should be harsh then so be it. But applying a different standard to individuals based on the outcomes caused by varied levels of ability isn't justice. Although there is an argument for it that isn't based on justice but practicality.

You keep saying he almost killed her, he could have almost killed her with a single punch. Should be punished for almost killing her? or for punching her? You are trying to pretend the answer to that is self evident. It is not.

So if I punch someone in the face and they go and tell the police, I should be charged exactly the same as I would if I punch a person in the face who falls back hits their head and dies?

The fact that the person died does not matter? All that matters is the act of throwing a punch?

You realize how ridiculous that is, right?
 
So if I punch someone in the face and they go and tell the police, I should be charged exactly the same as I would if I punch a person in the face who falls back hits their head and dies?

The fact that the person died does not matter? All that matters is the act of throwing a punch?

You realize how ridiculous that is, right?
You realize that is one of the core principles of justice right? That one is punished for ones actions rather then the results? Your reaction is utterly emotional and unreasonable. Try rationally justifying why two people performing the exact same action should be punished differently.
 
AlanB also went on a rant one time about how the judge should have been lenient when War Machine beat that woman half to death. Why? Because we used to understand when a man lost his temper over a female, and War machine is not a criminal, he's a victim. Victim of what? Radical feminism. Lol. Oh, the good ole days.

Keep in mind, he claims to be a lawyer.

Here's the post, before anyone pretends he didn't actually say that.

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I fear for any minority who picks him as their lawyer. Gonna have a bad time.
 
You realize that is one of the core principles of justice right? That one is punished for ones actions rather then the results? Your reaction is utterly emotional and unreasonable. Try rationally justifying why two people performing the exact same action should be punished differently.


The consequences of your actions are absolutely part of how justice should be served.

Just so that everybody here is clear, answer yes or no for me.

You are saying that killing somebody with a punch should be punished the exact same way as giving somebody a fat lip with a punch?
 
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I fear for any minority who picks him as their lawyer. Gonna have a bad time.


Lol, what a deranged coward.

We need a thread that just lists insane things people say.

AlanB- "Raping your ex gf at knife point and beating her almost to death is a normal reaction to her moving on to a new boyfriend. He is a victim of feminism."

That way we know who is insane and can just be ignored.
 
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The consequences of your actions are absolutely part of how justice should be served.

Just so that everybody here is clear, answer yes or no for me.

You are saying that killing somebody with a punch should be punished the exact same way as giving somebody a fat lip with a punch?
You are not making an argument. You are stating an opinion. My statement was simple.
Give me a philosophical argument for the concept that it is just to punish two separate people differently who performed the same action.

I am saying that punching someone on the basis of what is essentially the bad luck of an extremely unlikely outcome is not justice.

Your position is functionally no different then having someone who punches someone else roll a couple of dice and be punished differently based on the outcome of the die roll.
 
Oh I remember that convo...

I quoted him several times. At first I thought he was joking...I was like, "who the fu*k thinks that this is an appropriate or reasonable reaction?"

^ Radical feminist spotted.
 
So you are saying that giving somebody a fat lip should be punished exactly the same as murdering somebody. Since both were caused by a punch.

That's insane, laughable, and illogical. But it explains why you agree with AlanB, lol.
well if its insane, laughable, and illogical then it should be a trivial matter to explain why right?
 
There are only like 5 or 6 posts that I've ever seen on Sherdog that were genuinely disgusting and made me think the person who wrote them was seriously disturbed. AlanB wrote one of those posts. It's pretty rare for somebody to be that demented in a serious way on here.
 
well if its insane, laughable, and illogical then it should be a trivial matter to explain why right?

Because one of those people died, and the other person got a fat lip.
 
First ballot HOF thread for sure.

I know, damn thread is locked.

Didnt even get a chance to post a quip about how Homer is just being a true to his communist/socialist self by being ok with his ex opening her private parts for public usage.
 
Because one of those people died, and the other person got a fat lip.
That isn't a principle. You are avoiding actually making an argument and just retreating to the inherently emotional position. That is what I am saying. The fact that one of them died and one of them got a fat lip was a roll of the die. So why should the person who got unlucky get punished more harshly then the person who got lucky? How is that fair?
 
There are only like 5 or 6 posts that I've ever seen on Sherdog that were genuinely disgusting and made me think the person who wrote them was seriously disturbed. AlanB wrote one of those posts. It's pretty rare for somebody to be that demented in a serious way on here.


Let's be real here...

women can drive us crazy...and incense the hell out of us...

however, nothing, I mean nothing justifies, mitigates what War Machine did. He also tried to rape her, but he couldn't get it up.

this isn't #metoo radical feminist shit...


this is just basic humanity
 
That isn't a principle. You are avoiding actually making an argument and just retreating to the inherently emotional position. That is what I am saying. The fact that one of them died and one of them got a fat lip was a roll of the die. So why should the person who got unlucky get punished more harshly then the person who got lucky? How is that fair?

They did not get unlucky, they were the one who caused the person's death. They chose an action, and the action had a consequence. You do not get to say, "Well, I've done this before and the result was different, so the action should be seen the same." This is called personal responsibility. If the result of your action is the death of another person, then you are held responsible for that death.

What you are saying is that somebody who punches hard enough to murder people should be able to go around murdering people and getting the same punishment as a 105 pound weakling who punches somebody and causes no damage at all. It's a ridiculous argument that you are making.
 
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