Verdum - end of BJJ at the top MMA level

[blaseblah]

yes, everybody trains, but days when top level BJJ fighters were

Other than Brent Primus (have you heard about the guy?), is there any other BJJ background specialist who is holding the title in UFC or Bellator??? Of course everybody trains BJJ, but we are talking about BJJ specialists here, who learned boxing, wrestling, etc... RonMo...

With the exception of wrestling which is build into the high school and collegiate system, it doesn't really make sense for young aspiring fighters to specialize in anything. Better to immediately start crosstraining than waste time getting a "background" in a single martial art.

 

[blaseblah]

Anyone can pick up BJJ. There are old grannies at the local BJJ shoppe here that do it for "self defense" & for something to do.

Go find me a McDojo that offers Folkstyle Wrestling, the top base for MMA & the roughest & toughest sport there is. You cant, because its designated for elite athletes.

This is a dumb post. Literally anyone who attended high school can do wrestling. The vast, vast majority of people who take wrestling will never, ever compete professionally. It's like claiming soccer is only designed for athletes because you can do it after school as a teenager.

Again, your pure wrestling is useless against BJJ in a real fight.

 

[Lint]

So considering that all fights start on feet and we have strikers and sometimes they don't KO/TKO, that gotta mean that striking is dead at elite level.

Same goes to wrestling.

The only thing that pays out 10 out of 10 times is taking your opponent down and laying on top of him, which has nothing to do with fighting, but you win the game!

 

[JT RIPPER]

If you’re doing pure BJJ against a complete MMA fighter, yeah it’s useless. But if you’ve got wrestling and striking, you’re fine. We still see plenty of sub finishes. Thing is, you don’t need to be a black belt to nullify a black belt. If an opponent is good at defending subs and TD, your BJJ belt doesn’t mean much

 

[AndrewGolota48]

Mystic Randy Couture predicted this years ago. Who would have ever thought guys like Travis Browne, Volkov, and Hunt could deal with Werdum from the bottom.

It's obviously still big for control, however. Look at what a Rockhold or Maia can do from the top position.

 

[Evenflow80]

Put any aikido guy against someone untrained and they will toss them on their ass in 5 seconds.

We're looking at trained martial artists here. BJJ is becoming increasingly irrelevant because it doesn't train realistically and its competitions don't have realistic rules.

Did a BJJ guy sleep with your mom and not call her back or something ? I recall you making multiple comments against BJJ in the past as soon as a BJJ guy loses a fight.

 

[Human Bass]

Volkov himself used plenty of bjj, see how he didn't let Werdum pass his guard.

 

[cevo]

This is a dumb post. Literally anyone who attended high school can do wrestling. The vast, vast majority of people who take wrestling will never, ever compete professionally. It's like claiming soccer is only designed for athletes because you can do it after school as a teenager.

Again, your pure wrestling is useless against BJJ in a real fight.

Yes, but it's usually a lot easier for a wrestler to add high level submission defense, than it is for a BJJ-grappler to add high level takedowns and takedown defense. That's why wrestling is the best base if you only get to pick 1 discipline.

Also it is true that wrestling is extremely tough, which is one of the reasons wrestlers are so suited for MMA. Jiujutsu is hard too but not quite on that level.