International Venezuela, The Socialist Dystopia, v2: The region's worst humanitarian crisis in decades

[Rod1]

Just to be clear in advanced the us doesn't send aid they’re evil, if they do it isn’t enough and they’re evil, if they send troops to stabilize they’re hedgemomic, if we impose sanctions we are baby killers and if we support the un doing something instead we don’t care about starving people

Because context doesnt matters?

 

[cincymma79]

Because context doesnt matters?

No matter what this is the us fault not Venezula and no matter what we do we’ll be blamed. I vote ignore.

 

[Rod1]

No matter what this is the us fault not Venezula and no matter what we do we’ll be blamed. I vote ignore.

Blamed by who?

 

[Seaside]

This one time I wish US or someone would go in and assassinate the leader. but if it did happen you just get a puppet but a puppet that feeds his people better than one who does not i guess.

 

[funcrusher2007]

I don't get the issue. Don't all venezuelans have drawers full of tasty empanadas?

What a jackass..

How this guy hasn’t got a bullet to the head yet perplexes me

 

[funcrusher2007]

Yes really, lets not pretend the whole situation in Venezula since Chavez hasn't been your typical case of the US trying to squash any kind of popularist shift to the left in latin America, its common knowledge it was behind the coup attempt on him. Much of the situation the country is in now ultimately comes down to over a decade or US economic warfare and indeed the mismanagement pre Chavez whoring the country to US interests.

That said of course Maduro really doesn't look up to the job of leading the country the way Chavez was and has allowed himself to be drawn into the US funded violence trying to cover this.

,please tell me you aren’t an American college student With a Chavez T-shirt.

 

[cincymma79]

Blamed by who?

depends which option we choose

 

[Bamboozled]

Opposition parties are not banned. Individual members of them may be banned per conduct detrimental to the country, and most of them for good reason.

From Arkain's post

Why are they in jail or barred from politics?

 

[Rod1]

depends which option we choose

Sanctions.

 

[indo80]

Their supporters and their families have food and guns. The rest of the country does not.

That makes sense, do you think if the refugee issue gets worse the surrounding nations declare war on the country? i cant imagine other people taking a lot of refugees forever.

 

[Rozko]

That makes sense, do you think if the refugee issue gets worse the surrounding nations declare war on the country? i cant imagine other people taking a lot of refugees forever.

War would create even more of them

 

[Rod1]

That makes sense, do you think if the refugee issue gets worse the surrounding nations declare war on the country? i cant imagine other people taking a lot of refugees forever.

I think war would be more costly than taking refugees TBH.

I think at most they would petition the US to implement sanctions on Venezuela and see the country fall into chaos.

 

[indo80]

I think war would be more costly than taking refugees TBH.

I think at most they would petition the US to implement sanctions on Venezuela and see the country fall into chaos.

from my understanding Venezuela produces heavy crude which can be easily replaced by the Canadian heavy crude, the only issue with Canada is the lack of pipeline to export more of the stuff. The Canadian industry is growing its crude on a yearly basis but are shipping a lot of it by rail as there isnt enough pipeline to the USA. Even if the American refineries that only process heavy crude need that crude Canada could be the natural supplier. I think sanctions are going to happen and Venezuela already sends a lot of crude to China plus India to repay loans so i doubt they will provide more loans.

 

[cincymma79]

Sanctions.

You bastard
Those kids are starving. Do you hate children? Chomsky made this argument with Iraq sanctions. Been done

 

[Rod1]

You bastard
Those kids are starving. Do you hate children? Chomsky made this argument with Iraq sanctions. Been done

Except Venezuela is nothing like Iraq?

As i said, context matters, also scrap sanctions, just stop buying their oil.

 

[cincymma79]

Except Venezuela is nothing like Iraq?

As i said, context matters, also scrap sanctions, just stop buying their oil.

We had sanctions on them before we went to war with them. This argument has been had already. You know exactly what’s going to happen. You’re either being intentionally daft or can’t remember things that happened 20 years ago.

 

[Rod1]

We had sanctions on them before we went to war with them. This argument has been had already. You know exactly what’s going to happen. You’re either being intentionally daft or can’t remember things that happened 20 years ago.

As i said, no sanctions, just stop buying their oil.

 

[cincymma79]

As i said, no sanctions, just stop buying their oil.

Ok fine but how dare you deny the people heir only source of revenue.

 

[Rod1]

Ok fine but how dare you deny the people heir only source of revenue.

There is always someone, somewhere bitching about it. Deal with it.

And most people blamed the US for leaving people under Saddam when they rose to fight him, should had finished the job back in 1991, when the US has unanimous support for it.

 

[cincymma79]

There is always someone, somewhere bitching about it. Deal with it.

And most people blamed the US for leaving people under Saddam when they rose to fight him, should had finished the job back in 1991, when the US has unanimous support for it.

So we should have gone back in 2003