Venezuela, The Starving Socialist Dystopia, Officially Defaulted On Its Massive Sovereign Debts | Page 51

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  1. freaky Black Belt

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    In that case that means US is even more in debt. If 1 dollar = 12k bolivar 1 trillion is like....12 quadtrillion dollars. We're in a few hundred quadtrillion dollars in debt.
     
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  2. Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    China condemns US sanctions against Venezuela
    Aug 28, 2017

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    China has denounced the newly-imposed US sanctions against Venezuela, saying unilateral measures would be of no avail and could only make things more complex.


    The condemnation was made by the Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying at a daily news briefing in the capital Beijing on Monday, after the White House announced a new range of economic sanctions against Caracas, including a ban on business dealings with the Venezuelan government and its oil companies.

    Asked about the new US measure, Hua said China's position has consistently been to respect the sovereignty and independence of other countries and not to interfere in their internal affairs.

    "The present problem in Venezuela should be resolved by the Venezuelan government and people themselves," the Chinese official said at the news briefing.

    "The experience of history shows that outside interference or unilateral sanctions will make the situation even more complicated and will not help resolve the actual problem," she added.

    China and Venezuela are close allies and have a close diplomatic and business relationship, especially in energy.

    On Friday, US President Donald Trump signed an executive order that prohibits dealings with Venezuela, a measure taken to halt financing what the White House called President Nicolas Maduro's "dictatorship."

    Maduro says the US is seeking to stifle oil exports through sanctions and a "naval blockade" on the Latin American country. He also says the US and its allies in the region are fomenting instability to bring down his government.

    http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2017/08/28/533230/China-slams-US-sanctions-Venezuela
     
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  3. Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    ‘Hope Is Gone’ as Venezuelan Protesters Vanish From Streets
    Anti-government protests have dissipated and the president faces few short-term challenges to his rule
    By Ryan Dube | Aug. 31, 2017

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    Clockwise from top, opposition activist Wuilly Arteaga played the violin during a antigovernment protest in Caracas, was in a hospital in July after being injured during a protest and sat in August after spending three weeks in detention.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/hope-is-gone-for-venezuelan-opposition-1504171802?mod=e2fb
     
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  4. AlexDB9 Blue Belt

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    Are there really videos of people eating from garbage cans and eating dogs and cats (in some cases raw) due starvation? I don't have the heart to look into these things

    I will never understand how Venezuela with the great example of Cuba only miles away has fallen this hard. Well I understand it but I wish it wasn't at this point
     
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    It always sounds like a good idea and they believe that this time will be different.
     
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  6. Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

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  7. Space Yellow Card

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    The experience of history also shows that communism and socialism don't work, to the tune of millions of stacked dead bodies.

    But these are minor details, I'm sure.
     
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    To be fair, that was when Hugo Chavez was in power and Venezuela was swimming in oil money. The problem was Chavez allowed corruption to spread and failed to diversify the economy. Picking an incompetent Maduro was Chavez's greatest mistake, and things went downhill fast after oil prices crashed in 2015.
     
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    Jordan Peterson makes a good analogy, and I paraphrase: putting your own life in order is pretty hard for some people, but it can be done. Trying to put your family in order, for example, is much, much harder. Many people can't even do it. When they try, though, they get immediate pushback and consequences to prove they were wrong.

    When you try to put an entire country in order, the delay between the time you implement your ideas and the negative consequences can be quite long, so you can be very wrong for a while and get away with it. Venezuela is a perfect example of a long slide downhill, in this case beginning with the moment Chavez was elected until the time that other people's money ran out.
     
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  10. Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    The Venezuelan economy was already diverse when Chavez rose to power. They were even exporting foodstuff to other countries, for God's sake.

    A much more accurate assessment would be "Chavez nationalized all of Venezuela's vital industries from the private sector and promptly ran them all to the ground".

    You guys did read all the articles I posted about that, right?




     
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  11. Rav1nHunter Double Yellow Card

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    So many words and so little substance
     
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  12. Space Yellow Card

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    I think his username gives away his sentiments on this subject pretty handily; he's nothing more than a communist/socialist sympathizer.

    Communism: it takes a few million broken eggs to hopefully one day have a shot at making an omelet.
     
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  13. Trotsky Yellow Card

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    Cuba has always been much more effectually ran than Venezuela. However, it's hard to ignore how much political/economic unpredictability may have been historically staved off by political repression and the effective banishing of the former Cuban oligarchy/insulation from (their) neoliberal influence. That is, a large part of Venezuela's current political crisis is owed to the meddling of old money, from their forcing Chavez's hand in furthering illiberal policies post-coup to the current stoking of violence.

    I have not seen such videos, but they may well exist. The frantic political battles and subsequent fears are isolating the markets further and making a bad situation worse.

    >Makes post accusing another of lacking substance
    >>Doesn't specify what area of discussion needs substantiating
    >>>Tips hand on a poorly veiled ad hom
     
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  14. Rav1nHunter Double Yellow Card

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    You literally had a wall of text that said nothing at least I kept it to 7 words when I responded with nothing. Pro tip using more words doesn't make your shit profound
     
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  15. Trotsky Yellow Card

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    So, again, what would you like explained? If I recall correctly what you quoted, I was talking about the post-coup Venezuelan regime being state capitalist.

    Also, yes, I am certainly a "communist sympathizer" insomuch that I view communist history with some nuance. You'll also find I'm very critical of purported communist organization throughout history as well, not that that really has anything to do with Venezuela.
     
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    Ok ill play what is it we don't understand about Venezuela?
     
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  17. Seaside Comisario de transporte Platinum planet.

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    You cannot forget that capitalist countries and military industrial complexes in the west have tried their best to sanction and destroy communist or socialista type goverments.

    Soviet union was underminded by the west and big bankd ad the west helped ruin Russia in the 90s.

    Putting sanctions against a country that dosnt and is not seeking weapons to destroy USA id pointless. USA is bad to do this and wrong. But to a idiots in here who buy capitalist propaganda they are happy to see Venezuela starve ajd be hit with sanctioja.

    There are some right wingers cheering at Venezuela suffering.
     
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  18. AlexDB9 Blue Belt

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    While we don't agree much I can dig this post.

    What is happening to the Venezuelan people is horrible and I hope they get it together soon but I fear like Cuba nothing will change peacefully it's going to take blood to bring about change
     
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  19. Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    Venezuela arrests top oil executive, eight other PDVSA employees
    Alexandra Ulmer


    CARACAS (Reuters) - Venezuela has arrested the state oil company’s boss for the western region and eight other executives at PDVSA, according to an internal company memo and a half-dozen sources in the OPEC member’s oil industry.

    It was not immediately clear why Gustavo Malave and the other employees were apprehended, though a series of corruption probes are under way at PDVSA and have entangled other employees.

    The sources said Malave was arrested on Monday in Zulia state, Venezuela’s traditional oil-producing region near Colombia, in what would be one of the highest-profile detentions of a PDVSA executive.

    PDVSA, the prosecutor’s office, and Malave did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

    Separately, Venezuela’s new chief prosecutor Tarek Saab on Thursday announced he was investigating “spectacular” overpricing in a dozen contracts in the nation’s Orinoco oil belt, on the other side of the country.

    The reputation of PDVSA - short for Petroleos de Venezuela SA - has been tarnished in recent years by graft investigations involving high-profile staff.

    The company has blamed the problems on a small group of employees and executives, and promised a war on corruption.

    Last year, the opposition-led congress said $11 billion was lost at PDVSA between 2004 and 2014, when Rafael Ramirez was in charge of the company. He denied the allegations.

    The Caracas-based company is the financial motor of leftist President Nicolas Maduro’s government, but is reeling from low oil prices, mismanagement, and lack of investments.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...t-other-pdvsa-employees-sources-idUSKCN1BG2TZ
     
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    Venezuela leader won't attend UN rights council meeting
    By The Associated Press | GENEVA — Sep 5, 2017,​

    The United Nations says Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro won't attend a U.N. Human Rights Council meeting next week as originally planned.

    Council spokesman Rolando Gomez said in an email Tuesday to reporters that Maduro "will not address the Human Rights Council."

    Gomez said the Venezuelan government had indicated in a diplomatic note a day earlier that the president would speak to the council at the start of its new session on Monday.

    Instead, Venezuelan Foreign Minister Jorge Alberto Arreaza Montserrat is set to speak to the council on Monday.

    http://abcnews.go.com/International...leader-attend-rights-council-meeting-49625499
     
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