Venezuela, The Starving Socialist Dystopia (Part 1)

[Quipling]

Do you think business people in the country should have less business merely because you deem the idea morally wrong?

Just imagine someone going to Venezuela, to some suffering merchant of some type, offering well desired money for their goods, and you come and slap it out of their hand, telling them that the extra business is "wrong."

I didn't make a moral argument or assert that giving venzenualans money is wrong. Fuck off.

I suggested that he not do it in a collapsing country, but that's for safety reasons.

 

[Madmick]

I didn't make a moral argument or assert that giving venzenualans money is wrong. Fuck off.

I suggested that he not do it in a collapsing country, but that's for safety reasons.

The fact that ~$168 of my dollars here are worth $1 there because the government wants to artificially set inflation and exchange rates was the more compelling argument to me.

 

[Deleted member 491001]

Yeah, that's why I didn't merge. I'd seen the material about the zoo and squirrels and several others. Didn't recall the anteaters. Thought that was new. Quite a dinner topic. Been a fun one to throw at friends. Kind of embarrassing watching eyes blow up like egg whites. Sometimes I feel like I'm living a life where I'm a character similar to Philip Seymour Hoffman in The Hunger Games.

The war room certainly sets me apart from people I know. In a way like when I used to watch stuff on a site called

Spoiler

theync.com

Spoiler is because it's a gore video site and might just explode your computer with malware too. My happiness increased dramatically since I stopped visiting years ago, and sometimes I feel that way about the war room too. Not a safe space; a lot of it in a good way I feel.

Great thread @Arkain2K you've done a ton of work.

 

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Do you think business people in the country should have less business merely because you deem the idea morally wrong?

Just imagine someone going to Venezuela, to some suffering merchant of some type, offering well desired money for their goods, and you come and slap it out of their hand, telling them that the extra business is "wrong."

I double dog dare you to go to Venezuela right now and try to eat steak dinners without getting kidnapped.

 

[Arkain2K]

Who would have thought Hugo Chavez was actually the only thing keeping that place going, and that without him it would fall apart?

That is officially the second- dumbest post in this entire discussion.

#1 spot still belongs to @7437, who up to this day still can't comprehend what Hugo Chavez's disastrous Socialist policies for Venezuela, such as nationalizing all the important industries like farming & manufacturing and promptly ran them to the ground, "has anything to do with Socialism":

I am not seeing what this has to do with socialism.

Here's the template to address all the Chavez and Centralized/Authoritarian Socialism apologists who wishes to "contribute" worthless shit about the insanity that is Chavismo:

Let me break it down to three basic steps:

1) Once upon a time, Venezuela were able to manufacture many of their essential needs. They exported what they have in excess, produce essential items that they need with their domestic industries, and import the high-end stuffs that they can't make themselves.

2) Chavez nationalized and destroyed all those manufacturing industries with draconian price caps that costs businesses much more to produce a product than they can make selling it. Manufacturing plants closed one after another, and Venezuela became reliant on imports to get EVERYTHING they need, using the windfall from oil sale, including all the basic essential items they were once able to make for themselves, like say, food and toilet papers. Why going through the effort of making it when you have the money to import it, right?

Consider this: Venezuela's agriculture industry was a net exporter of foodstuff before the oil boom. Now over two-thirds of Venezuela's food supplies today are imported from other countries, such as Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Ecuador, Bolivia, Colombia, and the American Imperialists that Chavez and Maduro hates so much. In fact, about half of that imported food supply actually came from the United States. The few farms still functional in Venezuela are operating with ancient agricultural technologies and methods from, you guess it, before the oil boom. Even with the best harvests, Venezuela can no longer produce enough food to feed more than 1/3 of their population.

3) Oil price may be plummeting, but the real mortal wound is self-inflicted: Venezuela's rapidly-dropping oil production rate that is now a record 13-year low, thanks to failing machinery and equipment that have never been replaced since the glorious Socialist revolution, because Chavez just assumes they will run forever without fresh investments.

Now, the Bolivares aren't worth the paper they're printed on thanks to hyper inflation, and the Venezuela doesn't have the money to import all those basic things that they needs anymore, and they are fucked because their farm lands lays barren and their factories are just hunk of rusted metal incapable of producing anything but rats.

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

That is officially the second- dumbest post in this entire discussion.

#1 spot still belongs to @7437, who up to this day still can't comprehend what Hugo Chavez's disastrous Socialist policies for Venezuela, such as nationalizing all the important industries like farming & manufacturing and promptly ran them to the ground, "has anything to do with Socialism":



And here is the template to address all the Chavez and Centralized/Authoritarian Socialism apologists who wishes to "contribute worthless shit about the insanity that is Chavismo:

I was just trying to be funny. I don't post serious comments pretty much ever.

 

[Arkain2K]

I was just trying to be funny. I don't post serious comments pretty much ever.

This shit stopped being funny long ago. Right around when humanitarian aid were blocked by the Venezuela government last summer on constitutional grounds, as people are starving in the streets.

This crisis has long since lost any real humor. Malnutrition of children can cause irreparable damage to their lives and to society. Maduro needs to set aside ideology and get food in.

 

[Bloodworth]

Richer middle east coutries should open the door to these starving people.
Build some churches, become more diverse. Then let's see how the push for multiculturalism works on those animals

 

[ShinkanPo]

Richer middle east coutries should open the door to these starving people.
Build some churches, become more diverse. Then let's see how the push for multiculturalism works on those animals

The Flamingos?

 

[Bloodworth]

The Flamingos?

Moose limbs

 

[Makani]

The Flamingos?

I feel like Flamingos wouldn't last too long in the Middle East, with their lifestyle choices.

That is officially the second- dumbest post in this entire discussion.

#1 spot still belongs to @7437, who up to this day still can't comprehend what Hugo Chavez's disastrous Socialist policies for Venezuela, such as nationalizing all the important industries like farming & manufacturing and promptly ran them to the ground, "has anything to do with Socialism":



Here's the template to address all the Chavez and Centralized/Authoritarian Socialism apologists who wishes to "contribute" worthless shit about the insanity that is Chavismo:

I think the problem is that you have people here using this as a slam against the most basic socialist policies. So because some corrupt socialist fucked the economy and put all this eggs in the oil basket, we can't have universal health care? I just want people to take the right lessons.

 

[Rod1]

I feel like Flamingos wouldn't last too long in the Middle East, with their lifestyle choices.



I think the problem is that you have people here using this as a slam against the most basic socialist policies. So because some corrupt socialist fucked the economy and put all this eggs in the oil basket, we can't have universal health care? I just want people to take the right lessons.

UHC is different than seizing the means of production which is what Venezuelan regime did, thats outright communism and why it failed so badly.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

I mean when you appropriate virtually all forms of private business and base your economy off failed oil price projections exclusively...

ya, you're dicked. I mean when Venezuela is BUYING oil from others b/c it's cheaper than producing it itself.....and they're an oil based economy....it's a wrap

 

[Makani]

UHC is different than seizing the means of production which is what Venezuelan regime did, thats outright communism and why it failed so badly.

I agree, that's why I don't want people taking the wrong thing away. American socialism is a different animal, I think most people should like the idea that we haven't got our money's worth out of government for a while.

 

[Rod1]

I agree, that's why I don't want people taking the wrong thing away. American socialism is a different animal, I think most people should like the idea that we haven't got our money's worth out of government for a while.

People will politicize anything. Claiming Bernie is Hugo Chavez is like claiming Trump is Hitler.

 

[ShinkanPo]

I have friends who live in Venezuela and they say it's pretty bad, but I honestly don't know what the deal is with fancy restaurants. All I know is that my friend was pushing me to go there as his father had just returned and was regaling us stories of how far the bucks goes. That was a year ago.

I spent some time there myself some years ago, and it wasn't particularly safe even before the food shortage, I was told to not even go to Caracas at night and to even avoid it in the day, so I'm not about to try my luck right now for a cheap meal.

I am really curious about stuff like these like those fancy restaurants and Bars if they still operate normally considering Venezuale is nearing Zomallia levels of famine, people are eating Flamingos already.

Now I wonder if it is only the middle class and bellow who are affected maybe the rich kids still have enough money and contacts to import some good stuff, or maybe they are affected but not as bad but have limited choices.

I remember some BBC,and CNN War Correspondents covering the 2nd Gulf War in 2003 they said that for almost 2 weeks all they eat at Hotel Palestein in Bagdad is fried Chicken and some eggs because that is the only abundant food type in Baghdad as everything is rationed it is abundant but limited.

 

[MyOwnSummer12]

Remember when the left was praising Venezuela as a model?

http://www.salon.com/2013/03/06/hugo_chavezs_economic_miracle/

 

[MyOwnSummer12]

Tom Woods did a good podcast about this topic.

 

[Blackened]

I wonder if the lesson will be learned here.

 

[ShinkanPo]

Moose limbs

Lets see if they will accommodate them and start letting in Pork imports if I am not mistaken Latin American diet is pork intensive too, though I could be wrong.