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Discussion in 'The War Room' started by Arkain2K, May 14, 2016.
Maduro and his ilk are really dumb I mean total dumb asses who can't process logic!
When I read that, all I had to say regarding that guy and the attention he was getting was: Keep flirting with socialism, look at all the wonders its done for Venezuela for the last 18 years...
Right now you even have people crossing the border to Colombia on foot, desperate to get out of the country, willing to sleep on the streets and being fed by charity orgs there as long as they can get out. Looking at the images you'd think they're war refugees.
I'm willing to bet a large portion of the American population as well as Europe are more than willing to be on the side of Kim Jong Un and Nicolas Maduro.
Sadly I have to agree with you
Maduro looks like budget Hussein.
CIA is a hell of a drug
Hehehe good one..
We may need to create a new Dictators compilation thread.
You could say.........he left the Baathouse early.
Exactly any foreign military action will be used as an excuse for why Venezuela failed.
Unfortunately for the regular people of Venezuela they will have to starve or rise up so the world can see how useless full socialism is.
Is it the CIA's fault that Venezuela didn't diversify their economy? Oil gas and resource price slumps hurt my country too but we weren't stupid enough to have all our eggs in one basket.
What the U.S. government should do about Venezuela: Nothing
Robert Robb, The Arizona Republic Opinion | Aug. 11, 2017
We can't fix it. All we can do is get in the way and blur the lesson that socialism doesn't produce good economies or democratic governance.
Venezuela offers an excellent illustration of how the U.S. compulsion to intervene in all the world’s trouble spots often strategically backfires.
The country is providing a timely lesson about how socialism wrecks an economy and how true socialism has a tendency to suffocate democracy as well.
These truths were masked during Hugo Chávez’s time by sky-high oil prices. The state-owned oil company – Petróleos de Venezuela or PDVSA – spun off sufficient revenue to pay for his domestic infrastructure and welfare programs.
But politicization of PDVSA‘s management has resulted in a sharp reduction in oil production. And the deep drop in oil prices has robbed his successor, Nicolás Maduro, of the lucre to maintain the mask.
Under Maduro, the state has taken over increasing portions of the economy. Today, the army has become the nation’s grocer.
The country has suffered hyperinflation, currently estimated at 700% annually, for several years now.
The government has racked up sovereign debt it cannot repay. A default is imminent.
The people of Venezuela have clearly had enough. An opposition Congress was elected. But a regime-controlled court emasculated it. Maduro orchestrated a facade of an election for a Constituent Assembly to usurp it. The Constituent Assembly is looking like the worst of the French Revolution, without the beheadings.
But there are jailings and shootings of political opponents. The Constituent Assembly dutifully voted to sack the country’s attorney general, a devout chavista who couldn’t stomach Maduro’s debauching of the country’s democratic processes. She escaped a hostile cordon on the back of a motorbike.
The claim by Maduro and the security forces of the chavista regime is that all the country’s woes are the result of sabotage by the United States.
That, of course, is preposterous. Yet the United States keeps doing things that give the claim some semblance of credibility.
In 2014, Congress passed a bill permitting sanctions to be imposed, supposedly in defense of Venezuelan human rights and civil society. In 2015, the Obama administration imposed sanctions on a handful of government officials. Their U.S. assets, to the extent they had any, were frozen. They were forbidden from traveling to the United States, and U.S. persons were forbidden to do business with them.
The Trump administration extended the sanctions to another handful, including Maduro himself. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson has muttered about the desirability of regime change, which plays directly into Maduro’s domestic playbook.
And, in the usual neoconservative circles, there are calls for the U.S. to do even more to put pressure on the Maduro government. The big gun supposedly would be banning PDVSA’s oil imports into the United States. The Trump administration is reportedly mulling the big gun.
Roughly 40% of PDVSA’s exports are to the United States. While other buyers could probably be found, the disruption would be, it is claimed, a staggering blow that might topple the Maduro government and neuter the chavista security forces that prop it up.
Now, Venezuela is of little direct security interest to the United States. Other than having to endure bombastic speeches by Chávez at the United Nations, the turmoil in Venezuela hasn’t significantly affected us. Nor will it.
What happens next in Venezuela is impossible to project. But the notion that the United States can steer events in a productive direction by high-minded pronouncements or carefully calibrated sanctions is hubris.
All we can do for sure is get in the way and blur the lessons for the people of Venezuela and around the world. If the United States tries to punish or topple the Maduro government, then it cannot cleanly be proclaimed that it failed of its own accord. The inability of true socialism to produce economic wellbeing, and the threat it poses to democratic governance, will not be as transparently illustrated.
The United States does have a general strategic interest in the establishment and maintenance of democratic capitalism in Latin America. And the American people have a heart for the suffering of the people of Venezuela.
Individuals can act on that heart by contributing to relief efforts. The United States government, however, serves best by trying to stay out of the story.
As long as non-interventionists dont suddenly become interventionists when debt is defaulted im ok with it.
Dictatorship is one thing, defaulting loans is an entire different matter.
One way or another, the Iron Bank of New York will have its dues, long before Beijing and Moscow.
Its exactly the same thing, an illegitimate government cant give legitimate debt in the name of the people of Venezuela.
Goldman Sachs and all those other vultures can go and try to collect from Maduro and his cronies if they want. Not the Venezuelan people.
Venezuela's Maduro seeks to capitalize on Trump's military threat
August 14, 2017
(Reuters) - While U.S. Vice President Mike Pence travels to Latin America tamping down concern over his boss's threat of possible military action in Venezuela, the country's leader Nicolas Maduro sought to capitalize on local outrage by holding an "anti-imperialist" protest on Monday.
The march started with a late morning rally and was expected to end at the presidential palace where Maduro will address the crowd, while a conciliatory Pence continued a tour of the region that began in Colombia on Sunday.
In Cartagena, Pence backpedaled from President Donald Trump's statement last week that a "military option" was on the table for Venezuela.
The vice president said the U.S. administration is confident that a peaceful solution could be found to the crisis in oil-rich but economically ailing Venezuela, where more than 120 have died in anti-Maduro protests since April.
Trump's comments may be a political lifeline for the unpopular Maduro. Like his predecessor and mentor, the late Hugo Chavez, Maduro says the country must be unified by socialism in order to defend against a U.S. invasion aimed at stealing Venezuela's vast oil resources.
The march started at a downtown square, where hundreds of "Chavistas" moved to the rhythms of a local folk band playing on a makeshift stage. "Venezuela and Latin America united against the empire!" a marcher shouted, while the Socialist Party promoted Twitter hashtags #StopTrump and #TrumpGoHome.
Television interrupted coverage of the march to broadcast an address by the Defense Minister Vladimir Padrino. With dozens of battle-ready troops behind him at an army base, including one soldier with a shoulder-fired missile launcher pointed skyward, Padrino warned that the United States wants to steal Venezuela's oil reserves.
Venezuela's opposition coalition on Sunday rejected foreign threats to the country, without specifically identifying Trump or the United States while criticizing Maduro's close relationship with Communist-run Cuba.
Padrino criticized the opposition's position as ambivalent.
"This is a time of reflection," Padrino said. "You are either a Venezuelan patriot, or pro-Yankee."
Last month Venezuela elected a "constituent assembly" with sweeping powers, including the writing of a new constitution and allowing Maduro to rule by decree. In 2015 the opposition won control of Congress, but its decisions have been nullified by Maduro's loyalist Supreme Court.
Maduro and his allies say the constituent assembly is Venezuela's only hope for securing peace and prosperity.
The opposition boycotted the assembly, calling it a step toward dictatorship as the nation suffers from triple-digit inflation and acute shortages of food and medicine.
The thing is, once the Chavistas finally fall, the next government is going to need credit in the international markets to begin fixing the ungodly mess Chavez and Maduro have created, so it will be in their best interest to at least renegotiate a payment plan.
Beijing and Moscow however, will probably be told to go fuck themselves, considering all they have done to prop up Maduro.
The single most stupid thing the us could do is a military intervention in Venezuela...
Yes, sadly Venezuela just owes too many people at this point.
Just like to point out the hypocrisy of non-interventionists, as if loaning millions of dollars to an authoritarian regime isnt a form of intervention.
Welp, Maduro just gained the support of every liberal in America.