Venezuela, The Starving Socialist Dystopia (Part 1)

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[TheStruggle]

Socialists trying to convince themselves that this wasn't real socialism that brought down Venezuela

 

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[Rozko]

Well I guess it is civil war time. Hopefully the govt gets crushed quickly

 

[Akpan5000]

Real question, does the government have any civilian support or is it all the people protesting or just news making it look like that?

From the Venezuelans I know and spoken to a few online as well, seems like the Gov has pretty much lost most if not all of the middle class by now and they never had the upper class to begin with. The lower class (poor people) are the only ones still backing the Gov and even they're pretty much done with Maduro at this point they just feel whomever the opposition replaces him with will marginalize them to the pre-Chavez era.

Why exactly is it America's job to once again try and force economic sanctions onto a country that is minding its own business and failing at its own hands? Venezuela isn't NK or Iran.

Probably has something to do with us receiving as much oil as we do from them and them being in our "backyard". Not a good reason at all but that's probably it, and the whole "China/Russia will fill the power void if we don't" angle.

Other than oil...they have good supply of chicks in Venezuela...

Can confirm thanks to college and exchange students. Terrible what's happening over there that being said I fully volunteer to host these Venezuelan refugees in my humble home.

PS - What's the over under on how long Maduro lasts before he's strung up on a flagpole by his own military? I think his cardio is being underestimated. He'll last another year and a half at least.

 

[Rozko]

I give him 2 years and 40k dead.

From the Venezuelans I know and spoken to a few online as well, seems like the Gov has pretty much lost most if not all of the middle class by now and they never had the upper class to begin with. The lower class (poor people) are the only ones still backing the Gov and even they're pretty much done with Maduro at this point they just feel whomever the opposition replaces him with will marginalize them to the pre-Chavez era.



Probably has something to do with us receiving as much oil as we do from them and them being in our "backyard". Not a good reason at all but that's probably it, and the whole "China/Russia will fill the power void if we don't" angle.



Can confirm thanks to college and exchange students. Terrible what's happening over there that being said I fully volunteer to host these Venezuelan refugees in my humble home.

PS - What's the over under on how long Maduro lasts before he's strung up on a flagpole by his own military? I think his cardio is being underestimated. He'll last another year and a half at least.

 

[Rod1]

From the Venezuelans I know and spoken to a few online as well, seems like the Gov has pretty much lost most if not all of the middle class by now and they never had the upper class to begin with. The lower class (poor people) are the only ones still backing the Gov and even they're pretty much done with Maduro at this point they just feel whomever the opposition replaces him with will marginalize them to the pre-Chavez era.



Probably has something to do with us receiving as much oil as we do from them and them being in our "backyard". Not a good reason at all but that's probably it, and the whole "China/Russia will fill the power void if we don't" angle.



Can confirm thanks to college and exchange students. Terrible what's happening over there that being said I fully volunteer to host these Venezuelan refugees in my humble home.

PS - What's the over under on how long Maduro lasts before he's strung up on a flagpole by his own military? I think his cardio is being underestimated. He'll last another year and a half at least.

Depends on whether Trump can get its mess together or not.

I dont think he lasts 1 more year.

 

[Orgasmo]

What Maduro doesn't seem to get is that you'd have to at least provide a decent standard of living for your subjects if you want your dictatorship to last long. In other words, you'd have to be at least popular.

 

[HomerThompson]

https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/10-dead-200-voting-centers-attacked/

 

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LOL, Cuba...

 

[Pwent]

I don't want to be cold but they voted for socialism in the first place

 

[WhitebeltXL]

http://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-under-pressure-to-condemn-venezuela-10970635

Labour Party Leader Jeremy Corbyn urged to condemn Venezuela/Maduro

Jeremy Corbyn is under pressure from some of his own MPs to break his silence on the violence engulfing Venezuela and personally condemn President Nicolas Maduro.

As fears over civil unrest and instability in the country grow, the Foreign Office said it had withdrawn the families of its embassy staff and warned Britons that they should consider leaving too.

Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson has accused Mr Maduro of behaving like the "dictator of an evil regime" after he cracked down on anti-government protests following a widely disputed vote.

And the Trump administration slapped financial sanctions on Mr Maduro in the wake of Sunday's election, which gave the ruling socialist party virtually unlimited power.

As a backbencher, he attended a 2013 vigil following the death of Mr Chavez, calling him an "inspiration to all of us fighting back against austerity and neo-liberal economics in Europe".

Mr Corbyn later supported a parliamentary motion congratulating Mr Maduro on his election as president via "transparent and fair" elections, and called for closer ties between Caracas and London.

It also urged then-prime minister David Cameron to invite Mr Maduro to visit the UK at the earliest opportunity.

Very scary that this man was very nearly British Prime Minister and had envisioned a future for Britain very similar. He is so deeply ingrained in his ideology that he refuses to even acknowledge the problems it can (and does) cause.

 

[ShinkanPo]

Damn Cuba still stuck in their Old Communist ways.

 

[DespicablePeep]

Of course he has civilian support. From the families who still get meat, champagne, and premium toilet papers delivered to their mansions and country clubs.


'Why shouldn't we enjoy ourselves just because the country is burning?' Super-rich Socialists quaff champagne in Venezuela country club while middle class mothers scavenge for scraps in the gutter

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cavenge-food-rubbish-dumps-DOGS-starving.html

If the question sounds racist I´m sorry, I get that middle class is screwed but what about the lower classes and "natives" that supported Chavism? Are they still pro government and why the hell has people not rioted this luxury places that are pro Maduro?

 

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Canada condemns Venezuela's 'undemocratic' vote but is not ready to follow U.S. sanctions yet
"The Canadian Government is continuing to monitor the situation and consider its options", says official
By Levon Sevunts - Radio Canada International | July 31, 2017​

The Liberal government denounced Sunday's vote for a new legislative superbody in Venezuela that gives President Nicolas Maduro sweeping powers to reshape the country's political system but will not follow the Trump administration in imposing sanctions against the Venezuelan president, a government official said Monday.

The U.S. government branded Maduro "a dictator" Monday and announced that it's freezing his U.S. assets, following the controversial poll.

"Yesterday's [Sunday's] illegitimate elections confirm that Maduro is a dictator who disregards the will of the Venezuelan people," said U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin. "By sanctioning Maduro, the United States makes clear our opposition to the policies of his regime and our support for the people of Venezuela who seek to return their country to a full and prosperous democracy."

"Their sanctions regime makes it easier for them to act swiftly, but we continue to review [the U.S.] sanctions, monitor the situation and evaluate our options," the official said.

Canadian sanctions on foreign countries are imposed under two acts of Parliament: the United Nations Act and the Special Economic Measures Act through an Order in Council.

According to Venezuela's electoral council, more than eight million people — 41.53 per cent of eligible voters — voted on Sunday to create a constitutional assembly endowing the ruling Socialist Party with sweeping powers.

However, Venezuela's opposition estimated the real turnout was less than half the official figures.

Maduro's allies won all 545 seats in the newly elected National Constituent Assembly, which will have the power to rewrite the country's constitution, dissolve state institutions, such as the opposition-run Congress, and dismiss dissident state officials.

Canada appeals for calm

Maduro has said the new assembly will begin to govern within a week. He vowed to use the assembly's powers to bar opposition candidates from running in gubernatorial elections in December unless they sit with his party to negotiate an end to hostilities that in four months of protests have resulted in the deaths of least 125 people and thousands injured or detained.

"This constituent assembly will further escalate tensions in the country by robbing the Venezuelan people of their fundamental democratic rights," Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland said in a statement on Sunday.

"Canada laments the loss of life and escalating violence that resulted from [Sunday's] undemocratic vote. We once again appeal for calm and for constructive negotiations."

Canada along with several allies at the Organization of American States (OAS), including the U.S., had called on the Maduro government to cancel Sunday's vote. However, several Caribbean countries, as well as Venezuela's regional allies such as Bolivia, Ecuador and Nicaragua, refused to join the U.S.–led initiative.

With Sunday's vote President Maduro and his government took "another step down the path to institutionalize authoritarian rule in Venezuela," Freeland said.

"Individuals who are undermining democracy and human rights in Venezuela should be held accountable for their actions," she said.

Opposition want Liberals to do more

Both the Conservatives and New Democrats want the federal government to do more.

"Everything she's saying is in line with Canada's support for a free and fair vote as soon as possible and rejection of this phoney Constituent Assembly, which is really a way of rigging single-party, single autocrat power," said Conservative MP Peter Kent, the party's foreign affairs critic. "Our quibble is that it doesn't go far enough."

Freeland's support for OAS secretary general Luis Almagro's program to deal with the crisis in Venezuela is a good first step, but Canada can do more, Kent said.

"We could do more on the humanitarian side, and we could certainly do more in joining other democratic countries who have already imposed new sanctions on Venezuela or have committed to do so if yesterday's election actually took place and the government moved forward to replace the legitimately elected members of the National Assembly," Kent said.

Hélène Laverdière, the foreign affairs critic for the New Democratic Party, said the NDP remains deeply concerned about the human cost of the ongoing political, economic and humanitarian crisis in Venezuela, which has hit ordinary people hard with shortages of food and medicine.

"On the heels of Sunday's illegitimate constituent assembly vote, it's more important than ever for Canada to work with our allies and through multilateral groups like the OAS to secure a lasting resolution to the crisis," Laverdière said in an emailed statement.

"We would like to see the government be more active in providing humanitarian assistance, calling for the release of political prisoners, the holding of elections and respecting the National Assembly."

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/politics/venezuela-sanctions-regime-vote-1.4229930