Venezuela, The Starving Socialist Dystopia (Part 1)

You're a moron.

Chavez's enactment of leftist policies dramatically improved poverty, education, and health in Venezuela and did so despite nefarious meddling by nearby capitalist regimes.

A poor country whose only global resource is oil is going to struggle when oil value dives.


Also, you equating Maduro to Sanders again shows your economic illiteracy.
Sanders is a Roosevelt capitalist. Maduro is a pink tide socialist.
hmm

is this guy for real?
 
And now that their allies are falling from power one by one the international community is turning on them.

CARACAS, Venezuela—The head of the Organization of American States has called for a meeting of the body’s permanent council to discuss whether Venezuela has violated democratic principles, the latest setback for the socialist government whose diplomatic power once challenged the U.S. in the region.

Luis Almagro, Uruguay’s former foreign minister, made the request Monday night for the meeting after submitting to the council a 133-page report on alleged human rights violations and the conflict of powers in Venezuela. The emergency meeting in mid-June, if approved, could eventually lead to Venezuela’s suspension from the hemisphere’s oldest and most important body.

“The situation in the country with the world’s biggest oil reserves is critical from the economic, social and humanitarian point of view,” Mr. Almagro said. “In Venezuela, the politics have lost their purpose. They have stopped defending the long-term collective well-being for the short-term well-being of the few.”

Worsening shortages of food have led to the looting of food trucks and shops across Venezuela, resulting in President Nicolás Maduro declaring a state of emergency. Electricity rationing has left many government agencies closed for five days a week.

Lower exports of cheap oil to neighbors, combined with allies losing power in Argentina and Brazil, have reduced Venezuela’s influence and led to greater criticism in Latin America.

Last week, Paraguay requested an emergency meeting of another regional organization, Mercosur, to discuss the Venezuelan crisis. Brazil’s new foreign minister, Jose Serra, has said he would be more supportive of human rights, a swipe at the cozy relationship with Venezuela enjoyed by the previous leftist administration.

The OAS meeting “is a very important step forward,” said Eric Farnsworth, from the Washington-based Council of the Americas. “That the international community is talking about this, given its concerns with sovereignty, means that the situation in Venezuela has deteriorated enormously.”

A suspension by the OAS would not result in any immediate penalty, but would hurt Venezuela’s standing in the international community.

“Almagro acts as an imperialist puppet,” Information Minister Luis Marcano said after the OAS announcement. In the past, Mr. Maduro has accused Mr. Almagro of being a CIA spy, a charge the OAS secretary-general denied.

Venezuela’s foreign and information ministries didn’t respond to requests for further comment Tuesday.

On Sunday, former Spanish Prime Minister José Luis Zapatero met separately with envoys of Mr. Maduro and his opposition to arrange conditions for mediated talks.

Growing international pressure on Mr. Maduro comes as he attempts to stave off a referendum to remove him from power this year. The opposition has said the nationwide vote is the only means to prevent a social implosion and has organized weekly marches to force the government-allied electoral authorities to move the process along.

“Don’t keep playing with fire [Mr. Maduro], don’t keep playing with the people’s patience,” the head of the opposition coalition, Jesus Torrealba, said Tuesday.

Mr. Maduro said a referendum, which is allowed for under the constitution, is optional but could happen in 2017 at the earliest. A recall referendum next year would leave Mr. Maduro’s vice president in power until 2019, ensuring the continuation of his policies.

The OAS chief, Mr. Almagro, said earlier this month that Mr. Maduro’s rejection of the referendum puts him on the path of becoming “a petty dictator.” In his report, he said Mr. Maduro is increasingly using courts to punish opponents and monopolize power.

In an attempt to shore up regional support, Mr. Maduro last week visited Jamaica and Trinidad and Tobago to sign trade deals.

Still, the president is facing growing discontent at home. His intransigence on the referendum is causing grumbles among the influential military associates of his late mentor, former President Hugo Chávez.

“Maduro had chances to correct himself, he didn’t do it. What’s he’s doing, he’s doing very badly,” said retired Maj. Gen. Clíver Alcalá, a Chavez ally. “We need to recall President Maduro this year to connect with the people again.”
 
Oil is not cheaper today than it was before Chavez got to power, and it only became the sole export when Chavez destroyed all local industry.
So it wasnt a giant chunk of the economy pre chavez?
 
It was as depressed as it is now, and the country was not like it is now.
Im sure if itd all been pissed away on tax breaks for the rich instead of poverty reduction things would be awesome for an oil based economy right now instead.
 
Im sure if itd all been pissed away on tax breaks for the rich instead of poverty reduction things would be awesome for an oil based economy right now instead.

Pissed away what? you do realize that from the 80s to the mid 2000s oil was cheap as fuck? Venezuela never got into a similar mess like it is now.
 
O.A.S. Issues Rebuke to Venezuela, Citing Threats to Democracy
By NICHOLAS CASEY
MAY 31, 2016
Almagro-7

Secretary-General Luis Almagro of the Organization of American States.

CARACAS, Venezuela — The Organization of American States said Tuesday that it had begun taking steps against Venezuela to defend democracy in the region, a rare rebuke once reserved for countries undergoing crises like coups.

The move by the O.A.S., a United Nations-like group that represents every country in the hemisphere except for Cuba, now starts a process that could eventually lead to Venezuela being suspended from the body.

The O.A.S. cited what it called an “alteration of constitutional order” in Venezuela, which it said had “gravely affected” the country’s democracy. Sergio Jellinek, a spokesman for the body’s secretary general, Luis Almagro, said Venezuela now was plagued by “a political system with no outcomes where the government operates by decree.”

Venezuela’s government, with its low popularity and one of the world’s worst economic collapses, is facing a growing chorus accusing it of doubling down on authoritarianism.

President Nicolás Maduro this month called a state of emergency that expanded his powers against opponents.

Venezuela’s Legislature, controlled by rivals of the country’s governing leftists for the first time in more than a decade, has been stymied by government-backed courts. And protests to recall the president in a referendum have been quashed with tear gas and security forces.

“There has been an erosion of democracy on so many levels this year,” said Shannon K. O’Neil, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations.

Perhaps Venezuela’s most outspoken critic this year has been the O.A.S., in a confrontation that has grown increasingly personal and acrimonious.

This month, Mr. Maduro went on television to accuse Mr. Almagro, who is Uruguay’s former foreign minister, of having shadowy ties to the United States.

“Almagro is a longtime traitor,” Mr. Maduro said. “A C.I.A. agent.”

Mr. Almagro responded with an angry open letter the following day, saying that he was not a member of the C.I.A. and said Mr. Maduro had betrayed his people.

“To deny the people that vote,” he said, referring to the referendum, “to deny them the possibility of deciding, would make you just any other petty dictator, like so many this hemisphere has had.”

In the days since, the country’s leftists have responded with continued public attacks and a barrage of memes on Twitter showing unflattering photos of Mr. Almagro’s face against the American flag.

The bitter exchanges underscored what analysts said was increasing isolation of Venezuela from its neighbors. The country once had a reliable stable of allies among leftists throughout the region.

But the impeachment trial in Brazil, in which President Dilma Rousseff has been suspended, and the defeat last year of leftist Peronists in Argentina have left Venezuela with new, more skeptical leaders in neighboring countries.

“The golden age of socialism in the 21st century is over in South America,” said María Teresa Romero, a Venezuelan political scientist, referring to troubles leftists have faced throughout the region.

The events also showed the trouble Venezuela has faced in maintaining its influence at a time when oil prices have remained low.

In the past, Venezuela managed a reliable voting block in the O.A.S. by doling out largess through groups like Petrocaribe, an organization where Venezuela provides cheap oil to Caribbean nations. It also bankrolled regional groups like Unasur, a more pliant body that replicated jobs handled by the O.A.S., like election observing. But the current economic crisis has put the pinch on both.

On Tuesday, leftists quickly blasted the O.A.S. once more. Pedro Carreño, a legislator from Mr. Maduro’s socialist party said Venezuela still enjoyed support in the region and Mr. Almagro didn’t have the votes to suspend Venezuela. He said the O.A.S. was now “at the service of dark interests that run contrary to democracy and are conspiring again against our democratic government.”

By invoking its Democratic Charter the organization effectively began a process of debate that could eventually lead to Venezuela’s suspension. But analysts say the more likely avenue initially will be a series of discussions to break the political stalemate between Mr. Maduro and his opponents who control the National Assembly.

Some steps to that end have already taken place. Over the weekend, the two sides said they had begun passing messages through mediators during a conference in the Dominican Republic.

The main issue will be whether the country holds the referendum on Mr. Maduro. Mr. Maduro, the handpicked successor of President Hugo Chávez, has dismal approval ratings amid the lack of food and electricity in the country. He has repeatedly said that the recall is an attempt to overthrow him and should be blocked.

The O.A.S. evoked its democratic charter after a 2009 military coup that overthrew President Manuel Zelaya in Honduras. The country was eventually suspended from the group and reinstated after it held an election and Mr. Zelaya returned to Honduras.

Dr. O’Neil said Tuesday’s events had implications not just for Venezuela, but also for the O.A.S., which she says has taken the role of a democratic watchdog under Mr. Almagro.

“Almagro from the beginning has been adamant about this: The one thing the O.A.S. does that no other body does in his mind is defend democracy,” she said. “That’s why he has taken such a hard line.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/01/world/americas/venezuela-oas-maduro.html?_r=0
 
Last edited:
What are the odds we see Maduro executed in the streets Gadaffi style in the near future?


I really hope this Socialists/communists woul just get vaporized I am getting tired of their whining about equality and shit.
 
Socialist Venezuela is collapsing?

Is it fair to ask if they are "Feeling the Bern"?

feelthebern.jpg

I don't think most of you know the difference between a democracy with socialist policies vs an authoritarian socialist country. Let me get Thor to help you out in differentiating between both

 
I don't think most of you know the difference between a democracy with socialist policies vs an authoritarian socialist country. Let me get Thor to help you out in differentiating between both




I think you need to watch that video again.

"Venezuela was a county that practiced democratic socialism, and had a labor party... but then the executive took over."

Yeah, socialism is the first step to dictatorship. It doesn't happen overnight. One election at a time until we're a piss-poor country ruled by tyrants.
 
I think you need to watch that video again.

"Venezuela was a county that practiced democratic socialism, and had a labor party... but then the executive took over."

Yeah, socialism is the first step to dictatorship. It doesn't happen overnight. One election at a time until we're a piss-poor country ruled by tyrants.

that is not always like that.

But in 3rd world countries, most of the times.

Nordic countries have socialist governments, though their economies are based on free market.

I believe the term socialist is way too big and people dont actually know what type of socialism is the one in question.
 
I think you need to watch that video again.

"Venezuela was a county that practiced democratic socialism, and had a labor party... but then the executive took over."

Yeah, socialism is the first step to dictatorship. It doesn't happen overnight. One election at a time until we're a piss-poor country ruled by tyrants.

Yes, going to single payer universal healthcare is going to lead to an authoritarian government. Like their hasn't been non socialist countries ruled by tyrants.

Are you telling me Sweden and Switzerland will turn to piss poor countries due to having some socialist policies?

Also, the executive branch taking over was the problem. Having some socialist policies wasn't the issue here. He gave examples of how democratic socialism, with free markets, and checks/balances works well.
 
Last edited:
Pissed away what? you do realize that from the 80s to the mid 2000s oil was cheap as fuck? Venezuela never got into a similar mess like it is now.
The oil boom years chavez inherited and and spent unsustainably on the poor
 
The oil boom years chavez inherited and and spent unsustainably on the poor

It was not the fact that he pissed away the boom on the poor, its the fact that he used that oil to literally destroy private industry and commerce, the fact that even when oil was at US$100 a barrel he somehow managed to run a deficit by borrowing money from China tells you all you need to know.

So no, the idea that a corrupt liberal government would face the same deal is not real, a liberal corrupt government would certainly face troubles like Chile, but still would be able to function as a country.

Its not the first time Venezuela has problems due to an oil boom being pissed away, it happened in the 80s and at no point Venezuela was in the condition it is today.
 
that is not always like that.

But in 3rd world countries, most of the times.

Nordic countries have socialist governments, though their economies are based on free market.

I believe the term socialist is way too big and people dont actually know what type of socialism is the one in question.


Freedom will soon be a thing of the past in Nordic countries. Theyre already getting rid of freedom of speech.
 
It was not the fact that he pissed away the boom on the poor, its the fact that he used that oil to literally destroy private industry and commerce, the fact that even when oil was at US$100 a barrel he somehow managed to run a deficit by borrowing money from China tells you all you need to know.

So no, the idea that a corrupt liberal government would face the same deal is not real, a liberal corrupt government would certainly face troubles like Chile, but still would be able to function as a country.

Its not the first time Venezuela has problems due to an oil boom being pissed away, it happened in the 80s and at no point Venezuela was in the condition it is today.

its incredible... while some islamic monarchies like the Emirates and Qatar have taken their oil and make some mind blowing shit from a coutries where theres nothing more than oil gas and sand, venezuela, which is a huge country with incredible source of all type of natural resources plus right now has more reserves than the freaking saudis, is totally and completely fucked up. It just blows my mind.

I just dont get, specially dont get the people getting behind this fuck ass type of goverments.
 
It was not the fact that he pissed away the boom on the poor, its the fact that he used that oil to literally destroy private industry and commerce, the fact that even when oil was at US$100 a barrel he somehow managed to run a deficit by borrowing money from China tells you all you need to know.

So no, the idea that a corrupt liberal government would face the same deal is not real, a liberal corrupt government would certainly face troubles like Chile, but still would be able to function as a country.

Its not the first time Venezuela has problems due to an oil boom being pissed away, it happened in the 80s and at no point Venezuela was in the condition it is today.
It tells u he felt the oil boom would continue for longer
And no a corrupt far right (liberal? Are u high ?) Goverment would have pissed it all away on huge tax breaks that would have all come crashing down when the oil prices collapsed and never made the same much needed dent into extreme poverty.
 
It tells u he felt the oil boom would continue for longer
And no a corrupt far right (liberal? Are u high ?) Goverment would have pissed it all away on huge tax breaks that would have all come crashing down when the oil prices collapsed and never made the same much needed dent into extreme poverty.

No, it wouldnt because all the industry that was not oil was still existing. Chavez literally used billions to eminent domain industries and ran them into the ground, he didnt just created government industries, he literally bought thousands of factories and then ran them into the ground. Coupled with strict currency control also drove many other industries into the ground.

The problem with Venezuela is not that they dont have money, the problem with Venezuela is that they dont have an industry, they literally cant make anything now.

You keep saying tax breaks for the rich and other shit, well THAT ALREADY HAPPENED, Just read about Venezuela during the 80s oil glut, it was incredibly hard, but they still had a functioning economy.

But in the 70s, instead of buying industries and destroying others, the populists used that money to steal and to create white elephant projects. Chavez goal was turning Venezuela into Cuba and he succeeded. Venezuela crisis is paramount to the 90s crisis of Cuba.
 
No, it wouldnt because all the industry that was not oil was still existing. Chavez literally used billions to eminent domain industries and ran them into the ground, he didnt just created government industries, he literally bought thousands of factories and then ran them into the ground. Coupled with strict currency control also drove many other industries into the ground.

The problem with Venezuela is not that they dont have money, the problem with Venezuela is that they dont have an industry, they literally cant make anything now.

You keep saying tax breaks for the rich and other shit, well THAT ALREADY HAPPENED, Just read about Venezuela during the 80s oil glut, it was incredibly hard, but they still had a functioning economy.

But in the 70s, instead of buying industries and destroying others, the populists used that money to steal and to create white elephant projects. Chavez goal was turning Venezuela into Cuba and he succeeded. Venezuela crisis is paramount to the 90s crisis of Cuba.

tumblr_mloa08X1v91rq3i3ro1_1280.gif
 
Back
Top