Venezuela, The Socialist Dystopia, v2: Brazil Deploys Troops To Border Town After Migrant Attacks.

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  1. JadeOwl

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    Bullshit.

    They didn't subsidize their industry, they subsidized consumption and used price controls to destroy already existing non-oil industries that were doing perfectly fine without subsidies. Chavez and Maduro intentionally destroyed their country's economy so they would have a stranglehold on what was left.

    Bullshit.

    The other sectors of the Venezuelan economy had never been as hard hit as this time around, because they didn't have a government purposely trying to destroy it.

    And if you are going to trot out the made up bullshit story of "economic warfare" waged by the US, then I'm going to demand that you provide specific examples or shut up with your parroting of the Chavistas' bullshit conspiracy theory excuses.

    Everything we are seeing now in Venezuela was self inflicted.

    Bullshit.

    I see Venezuelans every fucking day of my life here in Lima. Serving my food in restaurants. Pouring my gas at the gas station. Selling arepas in the streets.

    Come and tell them to their face they were corrupt middle class people back home.

    Come on, I fucking dare you.
     
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  2. Rematch

    Rematch Female oil checking = AWESOMENESS!!!!!

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    So how long until Maduro gets Mousillini'd?
     
  3. JadeOwl

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    Don't hold your breath.

    The army is not giving any signs of switching sides and as long as he has them, he's safe.
     
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  4. Rod1

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    If Trump ever grew some balls and stopped buying their oil, then i would expect shit to really hit the fan.
     
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  5. Rozko

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    US has to replace that quantity some where, if the off shore drilling goes through and the US can replace it with domestic production it could be game on.
     
  6. Arkain2K

    Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    If the U.S truly want to wreck Venezuela, all we have to do is stop selling Naphtha to them and whatever remaining remnants of their once-proud oil industry in Orinoco will cease to function overnight.

    As it stands, the United States is the sole provider for all 2,000,000 barrels of Naphtha that Venezuela imports each month for their oil production. Without that critical diluent, their infamously cheap, low-quality, extra-heavy crude (which has the same viscosity as tar at 5°-15° API gravity) wouldn't even flow in their pipelines, and they wouldn't have anything left to sell to anyone, including the Russians and Chinese, and Maduro simply doesn't have the cash to buy even more light crude than he's already been buying to use as an alternative diluent to blend with their own extra heavy crude.

    Why wouldn't anyone want to buy unblended, extra-heavy crude, eventhough it's dirt cheap? Well, the overwhelming majority of oil refineries around the world are only capable of processing high-quality light crude between the 30°-40° API range (source), and they would require much more sophisticated and expensive tech upgrades to turn low-quality extra-heavy crude coming out of Venezuela into petroleum products. That's why Venezuela can't even refine their own oil by themselves without blending it first with imported Naphtha or light crude from other countries.


    Potential U.S. Ban on Key Oil Material Could Choke Venezuelan Production
    By Lucia Kassai and Milana Vinn | February 26, 2018

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    The outlook for declining oil production in Venezuela may get grimmer if the U.S. bans supply of a key commodity used to help Venezuelan crude flow from oilfields to the coast.

    Production in the Orinoco oil belt, which accounts for half of the country’s output, depends on heavy naphtha imported from the U.S. to reach global markets. Naphtha is used as a diluent to reduce the viscosity of Venezuela’s tar-like extra-heavy oil, and help it flow through 62 miles of pipelines to the nation’s coast, where it can be either upgraded or exported.

    Venezuela that once was South America’s largest oil producer has seen a steady decline in production amid lack of money for maintenance and exploration. Crude output may slump to a 29-year low this year. The U.S. has already imposed sanctions on more than a dozen top Venezuelan officials and now may target oil trades. Venezuela imports about 2 million barrels of heavy naphtha per month, and all of it comes from U.S. Gulf refiners, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

    “The impact of a naphtha shortage ultimately comes down to the operational integrity of the heavy oil upgraders in Venezuela,” Pablo Medina, vice president at Welligence Energy Analytics, said by email. “If the upgraders were to encounter operational issues or come offline, naphtha demand would increase significantly for heavy oil blending purposes.”

    The U.S. is weighing whether to ratchet up sanctions against Venezuela, and those could include banning oil imports from and exports to the nation, U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said earlier this month. While banning crude oil imports from the Latin American nation could hurt U.S. refiners, sanctioning exports may disrupt Venezuelan oil production, said Julian Cardenas, research professor at University of Houston Law Center.

    Venezuela’s crude production collapsed to 1.67 million barrels per day, the lowest output since 2003, according to OPEC data compiled by Bloomberg. An embargo of U.S. crude exports could also affect operations at the Isla refinery in Curacao, operated by Petroleos de Venezuela SA, the nation’s oil company. So far this year, PDVSA has already imported 3 million barrels of U.S. oil for its refinery in the Caribbean island.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/...il-material-could-choke-venezuelan-production
     
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  7. Koro_11

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  8. Arkain2K

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    In Pictures: Thousands of Venezuelans Join Mass Exodus into Colombia
    By Thomson Reuters Foundation | 2/27/18

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    Some 3 million Venezuelans—a tenth of the population—have left Venezuela since late leader Hugo Chavez started his socialist revolution in 1999. More than 500,000 have fled to Colombia—many illegally—hoping to escape grinding poverty, rising violence and shortages of food and medicine in the once-prosperous nation.

    Photographer Jaime Saldarriaga joined Reuters journalists at the Paraguachón border crossing to document the exodus from Venezuela, which is now on a scale echoing the departure of Myanmar’s Rohingya people to Bangladesh.

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    Hundreds of migrants lugging heavy suitcases and overstuffed backpacks walk along the road to the Colombian border town of Maicao, beneath the blazing sun. The Venezuelans arrive hungry, thirsty and tired, often unsure where they will spend the night—but they are relieved to have escaped the calamitous situation in their homeland.

    The broken line snakes back eight miles (13 km) to the border crossing, where more than a hundred Venezuelans wait in the heat outside the migration office.

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    Money-changers sit at tables stacked with wads of bolívares—Venezuela's currency—made nearly worthless by hyperinflation under President Nicolas Maduro’s socialist government.

    “It’s migrate and give it a try or die of hunger there. Those are the only two options,” Yeraldine Murillo, 27, who left her six-year-old son behind in the Venezuelan city of Maracaibo, told Reuters. “There, people eat from the trash. Here, people are happy just to eat,” she said, adding she hopes to find work in Colombia’s capital, Bogotá, and send for her son.

    Migrants told Reuters they were paying up to 400,000 bolívares for a kilo of rice in Venezuela. The official monthly minimum wage is 248,510 bolívares—around $8 at the official exchange rate, or $1.09 on the black market.

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    Food shortages, which many migrants jokingly refer to as the “Maduro diet,” have left people noticeably thinner than in photos taken years earlier for their identification cards.

    Mechanic Luis Arellano and his children were among the lucky ones who found beds at a shelter in Maicao run by the Catholic diocese with help from the U.N. refugee agency. The 58-year-old said his children’s tears of hunger drove him to flee Venezuela. “It was 8 p.m. and they were asking for lunch and dinner and I had nothing to give them,” he said, spooning rice into his 7-year-old daughter’s mouth. He raised his children’s spindly arms and said: “[These aren’t] the size they should be.”

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    The shelter, where bunk beds line the walls of the bedrooms, provides food and shelter for three days and, for those joining family already in Colombia, a bus ticket onwards. It will soon have a capacity for 140 people a night—a fraction of the daily arrivals.

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    At another shelter in the border city of Cucuta, some 250 miles (400 km) to the south, people regularly spend the night on cardboard outside, hoping places will free up. The largest city along the frontier, Cucuta, has borne the brunt of the arriving migrants.

    The mass migration is stirring alarm in Colombia. A migration official told Reuters as many as 2,000 Venezuelans enter Colombia legally through the border crossing at Paraguachón each day, up from around 1,200 late last year. But officials estimate as many as 4,000 people cross illegally every day.

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    Colombia is letting the migrants access public health care and send their children to state schools. Santos is asking for international help to foot the bill, which the government has said runs to tens of millions of dollars.

    Under pressure from overcrowded frontier towns such as Maicao, Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos announced a tightening of border controls this month, deploying 3,000 additional security personnel. But the measures are unlikely to stem the flow of illegal migrants pouring across the 1,379-mile (2,219 km) frontier.

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    While many feel a duty to welcome the migrants, in part because Venezuela accepted Colombian refugees during that country’s long civil war, others fear losing jobs to Venezuelans being paid under the table. After locals held a small anti-Venezuelan protest last month, police evicted 200 migrants who were living on a sports field, deporting many of them.

    Migrants are verbally abused by some Colombians who refuse them work when they hear their accents, said Flavio Gouguella, 28, from Carabobo. “Are you a Veneco? Then no work,” he said, using a derogatory term for Venezuelans.

    Locals also worry about an increase in crime and support police efforts to clear parks and sidewalks. They already have to cope with smuggled subsidized Venezuelan goods damaging local commerce, and have grown tired of job-seekers and lending their bathrooms to migrants. Spooked by police raids, migrants in Maicao have abandoned the parks and bus stations where they had makeshift camps, opting to sleep outside shuttered shops. Female migrants who spoke to Reuters said they were often solicited for sex.


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    Despairing of finding work, some entrepreneurial migrants turn the nearly worthless bolivar currency into crafts, weaving handbags from the bills and selling them in Maicao’s park. “This was made from 80,000 bolivars,” said 23-year-old Anthony Morillo, holding up a square purse featuring bills with the face of South America’s 19th-century liberation hero Simon Bolivar. “It’s not worth half a bag of rice.”

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    Despite four months of violent anti-government protests last year, Chavez’s successor Maduro is expected to win a fresh six-year term at elections on April 22. The opposition, whose most popular leaders have been banned from running, are boycotting the vote.

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  9. ElKarlo

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    Wow this train wreck just keeps on going. Hopefully this can resolved without massive bloodshed
     
  10. Seaside

    Seaside Secretaría de Relaciones Exteriores Yellow Card

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    Colombia will welcome them. But once that piece of shit is ovethrown Maduro they will fo back many will. He needs to die! He is worse than Assad at this point i think.

    They will want to back weather in colombia is way worse lol
     
  11. Arkain2K

    Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

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  12. AlexDB9

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    Fuck man that’s heavy stuff. As an anti-communist Cuban I have my opinions on this situation but it doesn’t matter.....in the end I still feel sorry for the common people because they are the ones that always suffer.

    Crime is also out of control. Many Cubans in the medical field went to Venezuela in exchange for oil.....The stories I hear are nuts including a female dentist I know being tied to her dental chair, gauze shoved in her mouth, and nearly being raped had it not been for her son screaming for help outside
     
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  13. cottagecheesefan

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    My girlfriend's family is set to leave there in early July and come here.

    I talked to her and her brother about the upcoming elections being moved up, with the opposition off the ballot. They think it is awful, and hate the government there, but they dont feel it will change much there. I told them they need to just suck it up and get here ASAP, rather than wait till July. Country is one sanction away from total anarchy...

    I guess her family been through so much over the last few years that they dont see one more straw breaking the camels back... but it will happen :(

    Very worried
     
  14. Rozko

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    Hopefully they get out safe
     
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    Yeah, hope they get out ok.
    Looks like the govt gave the military control of food, so they have their loyalty. This is starting to slowly look like north Korea
     
  16. Arkain2K

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    I sure hope she'll make it out on time bro.

    Once the food for the military ran out, these people gonna be thanking the stars they got out of there before the country goes up in flame:

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    Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    Colombia is doing the best they can, but I sure hope their neighbors will chip in to help. That goodwill gonna dry up quickly if Colombians are expected to deal with this alone.

    Since Maduro refused all international aid and claims that the crisis in Venezuela is just fabrication and propaganda perpetuated by the evil Imperialists, I say all international aid should be channeled to Colombia instead.


    Colombia says it needs international aid to cope with Venezuela crisis
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  18. indo80

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    socialism and communism at work here....i understand the sham elections but how can this government even have a sizeable minority support them in this situation...when the middle class is starving im assuming the poor are even more worse off or are they?
     
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    Their supporters and their families have food and guns. The rest of the country does not.
     
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    Just to be clear in advanced the us doesn't send aid they’re evil, if they do it isn’t enough and they’re evil, if they send troops to stabilize they’re hedgemomic, if we impose sanctions we are baby killers and if we support the un doing something instead we don’t care about starving people
     
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