Vasyl Lomachenko vs. Anthony Crolla, April 12

Seano said:
Settle down. I've told you I won't discuss shit with you when you're like this.
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You are pretty well known for your knowledge of boxing. I'm just curious who you think is the greatest boxer of all time? or who is your favorite boxer of all time?
 
MXZT said:
You are pretty well known for your knowledge of boxing. I'm just curious who you think is the greatest boxer of all time? or who is your favorite boxer of all time?
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Appreciate the compliment. In general, I like a good rounded technical boxer. As mentioned, I was a big Floyd fan. Always thought he was the perfect fighter, always showed a bit of everything. Usually fought guys who looked really good in their last fight too.

There are a few other guys I liked. Greg Haughen because he was a scrappy guy who beat a few boxers I didn't care for. Lennox Lewis was a favorite. Ray Leonard was my guy as a little kid, before I really understood the sport and then later Tyson.
 
It eats Seano up when a Euro does well. It's so damn predictable.
 
stuff jones said:
It eats Seano up when a Euro does well. It's so damn predictable.
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Yes, that Crolla win was so unexpected. Very upset that Lomachenko won.

lol at how butt hurt you guys get that I'm not a huge Lomachenko fan. You guys are weird.
 
Seano said:
Sure it has. By quotes from Arum and Loma himself.

When did he fight Rigo? When he was 38, inactive and 2 weight classes lower.

They literally said they had no interest in Walters because he had no belt. Then they fought him coming off of a draw and a squeaker win against a nobody. Not when when he destroyed Donaire and Darchinyan and actually looked like a challenge. And then AFTER that he fought the guys Walters beat and drew with. Then what happens, he stops Linares and fights the guy Linares beat twice. (I don't care who's fault it is, it doesn't enhance his resume)

If his competition is so stellar, name one fight that he's had that you thought he might lose. Name one fight that was even close to 50/50. Hell, 70/30.
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I seem to remember him getting dropped by a guy that davis demolished. And then Loma fans had the hide to say the Loma's performance was better than Davis's because of fight stats bla blah blah.
 
Seano said:
Name someone I should be excited to see him fight. I mean, Commey I guess? But we used the injury excuse to excuse 2 lackluster showings from Lomachenko, right? So that fight is shit. Garcia just got schooled. That fight means a lot less than it did a year ago.

Everyone says Davis is garbage and will get rolled over.

*shrug*

sorry, I just don't find the guys career as remarkable as others do. No one would care if anyone else beat Linares. Antonio Demarco wasn't on any P4P list when he beat Linares. I think a lot of people here fall for hype. The exaggeration about what he is is too much. What has he really done besides get an early title shot that he didn't earn (losing at that)? All thats special (about his resume) is that he didn't fight the 10 or so tomato cans that other fighters fight to pad their resumes. Listening to the commentary last night, you'd think the spirit of Ali had descended from the heavens for one final go. He's just fighting favorable opponents who aren't as good as half the guys he fought before he turned pro.
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I'm really looking forward to a Davis Loma matchup. The odds should be good. Until I see Loma fight an aggressive southpaw I wouldn't like his chances. Davis demolished pedraza.
 
randomg1t said:
i don't know. i think schooling garry russel jr like he did was pretty impressive, he effectively ended walters' career, he outboxed rigo, and he beat a very sharp linares.

i agree, beating those guys isn't quite as impressive as beating mikey garcia would've been, but these aren't bums. they are quality world champions, being outclassed.
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My arguments about Loma is not the quality of Loma's opponents, it's the style. It's appears to me that Loma hasn't had a lot of matches against aggressive opponents since salido. He is a specialist sniper killer and he's matchups have been mostly against "boxer" style opponents.
 
eternaldarkness said:
I'm really looking forward to a Davis Loma matchup. The odds should be good. Until I see Loma fight an aggressive southpaw I wouldn't like his chances. Davis demolished pedraza.
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Let me know when Davis gets the sack to actually take that fight. Hell likely be in prison before he gets in the ring with Loma.
 
PUO3 said:
Let me know when Davis gets the sack to actually take that fight. Hell likely be in prison before he gets in the ring with Loma.
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Dunno about Davis - his ability to think by himself hasn’t been proven yet - but I don’t believe Floyd will let him fight Lomachenko until Father Time catches up to him.
 
PUO3 said:
Let me know when Davis gets the sack to actually take that fight. Hell likely be in prison before he gets in the ring with Loma.
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Correct, someone as brain dead as him, it won’t be long until he breaks the law and lands in prison.

Thick as fuck.
 
Hagler said:
Dunno about Davis - his ability to think by himself hasn’t been proven yet - but I don’t believe Floyd will let him fight Lomachenko until Father Time catches up to him.
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Agree. I think its more likely Mikey takes it than Davis ever does.
 
Judoka1532 said:
Admittedly, i'm not as big of a boxing fan as I am mma. But that performance last night was undeniable. LOMA is almost flawless. Took no damage, and capitalized on all of his counters.

I may be stepping out of my boundaries, but he's the best boxer "I" have seen live-action in my 30 years of life. Floyd is a close 2nd. But LOMA literally looked flawless.
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What??? He fought Anthony Crolla, not some world beater... This Loma Hyperbole is getting INSANE......
 
Breaducce said:
What??? He fought Anthony Crolla, not some world beater... This Loma Hyperbole is getting INSANE......
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I typed that knowing somebody would have issues with it so it's cool. Never did I say he was the best. In my disclaimer, I said I'm not a huge boxing fan (not that I don't like it) but I just don't watch it a lot. In terms of who I've watched, the number is limited. So this is all based off of my observation (hence "I") But we all know that the guy is very talented.

The problem is, my observation prob doesn't have a lot of weight with it. But to suggest he's not what I say he is because of his opponent, is limited. If floyd mayweather beat an unranked guy...would we then say oh his opponent sucks so he's no good? No. What we do know is that Loma is good and there's a reason he's ranked so high. By not facing top tier competition, you can't say for sure he's the best in the game...but based off of what i've seen I can say he's certainly in the conversation.
 
treelo said:
Didnt he just say Lennox Lewis was one of his favourites?
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I was a big Froch fan too. These guys just know I don't like the same boxer they do and take it weirdly personal.
 
Judoka1532 said:
I typed that knowing somebody would have issues with it so it's cool. Never did I say he was the best. In my disclaimer, I said I'm not a huge boxing fan (not that I don't like it) but I just don't watch it a lot. In terms of who I've watched, the number is limited. So this is all based off of my observation (hence "I") But we all know that the guy is very talented.

The problem is, my observation prob doesn't have a lot of weight with it. But to suggest he's not what I say he is because of his opponent, is limited. If floyd mayweather beat an unranked guy...would we then say oh his opponent sucks so he's no good? No. What we do know is that Loma is good and there's a reason he's ranked so high. By not facing top tier competition, you can't say for sure he's the best in the game...but based off of what i've seen I can say he's certainly in the conversation.
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No not limited, it's objective fact. The only way to truly gauge a fighters greatness is by observing them in the ring against high level competition. And Yes if Floyd fought an unranked guy and had Loma's resume there would be absolutely NO basis to say he's the best fighter someone has ever seen in 30 years unless you've watched a handful of boxing matches, and are VERY casual fan. The problem is Floyd has a deep resume of ranked fighters and champions on his hit list, as do many other past boxing greats. You can say Loma is extremely talented, but given his resume, this best of all time nonsense needs to stop because he needs to earns that title and he has A LOT to do for that to happen and beating Anthony Crolla isn't gonna cut it.
 
Breaducce said:
No not limited, it's objective fact. The only way to truly gauge a fighters greatness is by observing them in the ring against high level competition. And Yes if Floyd fought an unranked guy and had Loma's resume there would be absolutely NO basis to say he's the best fighter someone has ever seen in 30 years unless you've watched a handful of boxing matches, and are VERY casual fan. The problem is Floyd has a deep resume of ranked fighters and champions on his hit list, as do many other past boxing greats. You can say Loma is extremely talented, but given his resume, this best of all time nonsense needs to stop because he needs to earns that title and he has A LOT to do for that to happen and beating Anthony Crolla isn't gonna cut it.
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Again, I never said he was the best of all time. I said he was the best that i've seen. Yes I'm saying I think the guy is extremely talented, but I didn't say with authority that is TBE.
 
Seano said:
I was a big Froch fan too. These guys just know I don't like the same boxer they do and take it weirdly personal.
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You are the master of BS I'll give you that. I often have an issue with what you say BUT it has nothing to do with you not liking the same fighters I do it's the double standards reasons you give. For instance, you say you don't like the way Lomachenko fights and that his fights all look the same but you are a big fan of Mayweather who was one of the most boring safety first boxers of all time. Double standards are what really pisses me off. You either care about how a fighter looks or you don't. You can't choose both.
 
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