US not a white Christian Country anymore, we have to preserve the West-Putin

[Pupi]

Historians create history!

No we don't. People make History - Historians just interpret their actions.

 

[lifelessheap]

No we don't. People make History - Historians just interpret their actions.

 

[ineverpost]

IF you are American, Putin wants to kill you idiot

 

[lifelessheap]

No we don't. People make History - Historians just interpret their actions.

People do not make history. Historians make history.

People live their lives and leave behind primary and secondary evidence. Historians observe these primary and secondary sources and interpret them and come to their own conclusions as to what they think happened. Thus, history will always be tainted by a human element.

History is a historian's interpretation of primary and secondary sources from the past.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

It's amazing how people forget about all of the good that Christianity is responsible for when they are looking to tear it down.

Especially the importance of Brown and Black Christians who proudly proclaim their faith and inspiration.

That shit always gets swept under the rug.

The black church and civil rights in an interesting time in history. It is something that deserves to be studied:

 

[bobgeese]

Lol most of those "great thinkers" were not in any way shape or form part of the laboring class. Robespierre, Rousseau, Jefferson, Washington, Locke, Smith, Madison, Voltaire, Montesquieu, Descartes, Kant, and I can go on and on, were born out of privilege. They either benefitted off of militarism, slavery, being European-descended males, or by the courteous beneficence of the nobility paying for their shit. Don't give me that "they pulled themselves up from their bootstraps" garbage.

You're building off a theory espoused by Max Weber. Protestant Work Ethic was not (and is not) the motor of history - it was conquest, subjugation of people, slavery, other forms of economic exploitation, and scientific innovations - pure and simple. Men of faith participated in conquest, subjugation, and slavery, especially in the Americas during the early part of the discovery of the New World, but don't mistake their participation as an overblown estimation of their agency.

It saddens me, that you as a student of history didn't understand what I meant. Before the time where these great thinkers lived in, there were not a whole lot of people doing "great thinking" because they had to worry about how to get water, food, shelter, preparing for winter, etc. Their life, was a life of labor. It wasn't until there was society built in large part on the work of people of faith, that a time of relative luxury would allow a lifestyle where people didn't have to spend their lives fulfilling their basic needs.

Also, lol at slavery and conquest. That was simply the way of the world. Terrible, yes. Unique, no.

 

[bobgeese]

LOL, the Church was the one who did the thinking and the knoledge preserving, the "men of faith" were mostly illiterate idiots who couldnt even understand mass.

And was the church out there breaking stones? Shaping the columns? Building the masterpieces we enjoy today with their hands?

 

[Rod1]

And was the church out there breaking stones? Shaping the columns? Building the masterpieces we enjoy today with their hands?

No, they just ensured that these people had a job and thus preserved the knowledge.

 

[Pupi]

People do not make history. Historians make history.

People live their lives and leave behind primary and secondary evidence. Historians observe these primary and secondary sources and interpret them and come to their own conclusions as to what they think happened. Thus, history will always be tainted by a human element.

History is a historian's interpretation of primary and secondary sources from the past.

Obama becoming the first black president was an example of him making history. People creating revolutions and overthrowing their oppressors is an example of them making their history. History is without a doubt a field of knowledge that is publicly discussed in order for professionals to create the significance of events, but that does not mean that people do not have agency and do not act in creating their history.

It saddens me, that you as a student of history didn't understand what I meant. Before the time where these great thinkers lived in, there were not a whole lot of people doing "great thinking" because they had to worry about how to get water, food, shelter, preparing for winter, etc. Their life, was a life of labor. It wasn't until there was society built in large part on the work of people of faith, that a time of relative luxury would allow a lifestyle where people didn't have to spend their lives fulfilling their basic needs.

Also, lol at slavery and conquest. That was simply the way of the world. Terrible, yes. Unique, no.

Lol you didn't disprove anything I wrote. Slavery, being nobles, being technocrats, being owners of industry allowed certain people to live a life of luxury and a life that enabled intellectual labor while others were excluded from the possibility of leading that life. What is so hard to understand about that?

 

[Seaside]

If you watch porn you are a cuck.

Man, the morality police will always find new tricks up their sleeves.

you love the porn of other race men cause you secret desire to be them and they bang you woman

 

[Rod1]

you love the porn of other race men cause you secret desire to be them and they bang you woman

So you let same race men bang your woman?

 

[bobgeese]

Obama becoming the first black president was an example of him making history. People creating revolutions and overthrowing their oppressors is an example of them making their history. History is without a doubt a field of knowledge that is publicly discussed in order for professionals to create the significance of events, but that does not mean that people do not have agency and do not act in creating their history.




Lol you didn't disprove anything I wrote. Slavery, being nobles, being technocrats, being owners of industry allowed certain people to live a life of luxury and a life that enabled intellectual labor while others were excluded from the possibility of leading that life. What is so hard to understand about that?

What's your point? Slavery was the way of the world. The strong conquering the weak was the way of the world. You're not breaking news here. Furthermore, even though my people were oppressed terribly by the British, I don't go around cursing the British. Every event throughout history has led us to where we are today. I'm ok with where I am, even if my great great grandfather made huge sacrifices.

 

[HomerThompson]

It saddens me, that you as a student of history didn't understand what I meant. Before the time where these great thinkers lived in, there were not a whole lot of people doing "great thinking" because they had to worry about how to get water, food, shelter, preparing for winter, etc. Their life, was a life of labor. It wasn't until there was society built in large part on the work of people of faith, that a time of relative luxury would allow a lifestyle where people didn't have to spend their lives fulfilling their basic needs.

Also, lol at slavery and conquest. That was simply the way of the world. Terrible, yes. Unique, no.

Ancient Greece and Rome both say hi.

 

[bobgeese]

Ancient Greece and Rome both say hi.

The dark ages called and said you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Pupi]

What's your point? Slavery was the way of the world. The strong conquering the weak was the way of the world. You're not breaking news here. Furthermore, even though my people were oppressed terribly by the British, I don't go around cursing the British. Every event throughout history has led us to where we are today. I'm ok with where I am, even if my great great grandfather made huge sacrifices.

My point is that your assertion regarding the exemplary behavior of "men of faith" leading to progress was complete bullshit.

 

[HomerThompson]

The dark ages called and said you don't know what you're talking about.

They didn't contribute to knowledge? Just take the L like a man.

 

[bobgeese]

My point is that your assertion regarding the exemplary behavior of "men of faith" leading to progress was complete bullshit.

I see you're a SJW historian. Spare me, I deal in reality.

 

[bobgeese]

They didn't contribute to knowledge? Just take the L like a man.

A great deal of their knowledge was lost during the dark ages, you understand this right?

You also understand than people of faith were paramount to pulling Europe out of the dark ages?

 

[Pupi]

I see you're a SJW historian. Spare me, I deal in reality.

You defend "men of faith" and now you claim to defend "reality." That contradiction is hysterical. Please tell me more of this "reality" of yours.

 

[HomerThompson]

A great deal of their knowledge was lost during the dark ages, you understand this right?

You also understand than people of faith were paramount to pulling Europe out of the dark ages?

I've definitely never heard of Plato, Aristotle, Homer, etc.