Crime US Gymnastics, MSU Sexual Abuse

Times kinda changed, the liberals make sure pedophiles get special protection and terrorist get their special halal meat.

Liberal lawyers will sue out the ying yang if a high profile name is killed in politically correct 2018.

Just doing their jobs many here say.
Perfectly fine????
Actually, the "terrorists" mostly just get vegetarian meals as an alternative to eating food that conflicts with their religious beliefs. Which is the same option provided to prisoners who are Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, or Jehovah's Witnesses.

Whether they get anything above that-like Halal meat- isn't required by law or "liberal lawyers." It's voluntarily provided by the prisons, and many don't.

And yeah, not letting prisoners murder eachother is a pretty basic part of being civilized. Weird how guards aren't supposed to have murders happen on their watch.
 
Castro committed suicide in his cell. If Nassar wants to do the same, I doubt anyone would rush to stop him.

As for Dahmer, I don't know if he just didn't request PC, or what. I think at the end of the day, it's up to the inmate if they want PC or not. Not entirely sure though.

Castro they just looked the other way or the good old he hung himself story.

Usually if it's a high profile name they taken preventive measures to keep things from getting crazy.

For some reason they just threw dahmer in like a regular inmate .
He suffered for weeks before being killed.
 
For those who didn't read.

But I was wrong in my third belief. I was wrong that surely, if someone had been made aware of what Larry was doing, they would report it and ensure it was legitimate before ever allowing him near another child. I did not know when I was 15 that in 1997, three years before I walked into Larry’s exam room, that MSU’s head gymnastics coach, Kathie Klages, had waved a report form in front of Larissa Boyce after being told by two separate gymnasts of what Larry was doing and told Larissa there would be consequences for her if she reported.
I did not know that Tiffany Thomas Lopez had reported the penetration and sexual assault to athletic trainer Destiny Teachnor-Hauk and to other athletic trainers and supervisors two years before I walked into Larry’s door.

I did not know that Christie Achenbach had reported the penetration and sexual assault to her track coach and her athletic trainers and had also been silenced a full year before I walked into Larry’s door. I did not know that Jennifer Bedford had also reported to Destiny Teachnor-Hauk and asked if she could file a report that Larry’s treatment made her feel uncomfortable and that she had also been silenced.

I believed the adults at MSU surrounding Larry would do the right thing if they were aware of what Larry was doing, and I was terribly wrong. And discovering that I could not only not trust my abuser but I could not trust the people surrounding him has been devastating. It is part of the consequences of sexual assault, and it needs to be taken seriously.

I did not know that at the same time Larry was penetrating me, USAG was systematically burying reports of sexual assault against member coaches in a file cabinet instead of reporting them, creating a culture where predators like Larry and so many others in the organization, up to the highest-level coaches, were able to sexually abuse children, including our Olympians, without any fear of being caught.


I did not know that, contrary to my belief, the elite gymnasts whose pictures were plastered on Larry’s wall were far from protected. That USAG, rather than supervising Larry, was allowing him to treat these girls in their own beds without even having a medical license in Texas.

My misplaced trust in my physician and my misplaced trust in the adults around me were wielded like a weapon, and it cost me dearly. And it follows me everywhere.
I did not know any of these things, and so as Larry was abusing me each time, I assured myself it must be fine because I thought I could trust the adults around me. My misplaced trust in my physician and my misplaced trust in the adults around me were wielded like a weapon, and it cost me dearly. And it follows me everywhere.

I would like to take a moment now to address both organizations whose failures led to my sexual assault, because it is part of the consequences that I now carry. ... MSU, we have been telling our stories for more than 18 months, and you have yet to answer a single question I have asked. Every time I repeat these facts about the number of women who reported to employees at MSU and were silenced, you respond the exact same way. You issue a press statement saying there is no cover-up because no one who heard the reports of assaults believed that Larry was committing abuse.

You play word games saying you didn’t know because no one believed. I know that. And the reason everyone who heard about Larry’s abuse did not believe it is because they did not listen. They did not listen in 1997 or 1998 or 1999 or 2000 or 2004 or 2014. No one knew, according to your definition of know, because no one handled the reports of abuse properly.


Victims were silenced, intimidated, repeatedly told it was medical treatment and even forced to go back for continued sexual assault. You have stated in a motion to dismiss our civil suit that, ironically, is being heard right now in court as I am speaking, that the reports that were given in 97, ’98, ’99 and 2000 to track coaches, head gymnastic coaches and athletic trainers and supervisors don’t, quote, count as notice because these teenagers didn’t report it to the right official. The 14-year-old didn’t go to the right person.

You have stated that no reports of sexual assault count as notice unless it is reported to a person who is capable of firing the alleged perpetrator. This entirely contradicts the letter that president Simon sent all 11,000 MSU employees in 2012, reminding them that MSU policy requires them to report any suspected child abuse and any allegations of sexual assault against someone at MSU. So, MSU, which is it? Do your employees have a duty to protect children or not?

It has been 18 months, and I am still asking the same questions, hoping that the little girls that come after me will have adults that they can trust. And I’ve been getting the same answer for a year, and so I am asking point-blank again, when Kathie Klages humiliated Larissa Boyce and the second gymnast, greatly compounding the trauma of their sexual assault, and waved the report form in front of her telling her there would be consequences if she reported.

Is this the right way or the wrong way to handle sexual assault allegations on MSU campus? When Tiffany Thomas Lopez reported her abuse to athletic trainers and supervisors and the trainers used the emotional pain Tiffany was in after her father’s death to convince her it would be too exhausting and painful to bother filing a report, was it the right way or the wrong way to handle a report of sexual assault on MSU campus?


When Christie Achenbach reported the sexual assault to her track coach and athletic trainers and was also silenced, was it the right way or the wrong way to handle the report of sexual assault on MSU’s campus?

When Kyle Stevens’ parents reported Larry’s sexual abuse of their daughter to a MSU psychiatrist and he brought Larry in to talk to her parents instead of reporting, as he was mandated to do by law, was it the right way or the wrong way to handle a report of sexual assault on MSU’s campus?

When Amanda Thomas Shaw reported to the Title IX office, and Larry could hand-pick the four colleagues to be interviewed to determine whether his treatment was legitimate, was that the right way or the wrong way to investigate a claim of sexual assault on MSU’s campus?

And after all this, when I came forward in 2016, I brought an entire file of evidence with me. I made a police report and a Title IX report, and I brought with me to those reports my medical records showing that Larry had never tried pelvic floor techniques. I brought medical records from a nurse practitioner documenting my graphic disclosure of abuse way back in 2004. I had my journals showing the mental anguish I had been in since the assault. A catalog of national and international medical articles showing what real pelvic floor treatment looks like. I brought a letter from a neighboring district attorney vouching for my character and truthfulness and urging detectives to take my case seriously.

I brought a cover letter going point by point through Michigan law and case law, explaining how every element of first-degree criminal sexual assault was met and could be proven.

I brought a witness I had disclosed it to in 2004. I brought evidence of two more women unconnected to me who were also claiming sexual assault. And I have the names of three pelvic floor experts willing to speak on my behalf. And the MSPD handled it beautifully, but MSU officials were a different story, because the response of Dean William Strampel was to send an email to Larry that day and tell him, quote, good luck, I am on your side. And when my video testimony to the IndyStar came out, graphically describing the abuse that Larry perpetrated, disclosing horrific details to the world that no one was ever supposed to know, that I had never told anyone, even my own husband, until that point, Dean Strampel forwarded that video testimony to the MSU provost, and he locked it.

He called it the cherry on the cake of his day. President Simon and board of trustees, is this the right way to handle disclosures of abuse on MSU’s campus?

It certainly seems that this goes far, far beyond what happened at Penn State and Michigan State should get the NCAA death penalty if only as an example to others. The need to go after every person who failed from those who bullied them into not reporting it to those who took the reports but backed down when higher ups threatened them.

The chain of command should be set up to protect the people at the bottom but everything is set up to protect the people at the top of the chain. Whether it's a corporation, the military or an institution, the policy seems to be to make certain reports of anything that might reflect badly on the entity never go up to another level. The laws need to be changed to make the people at the top responsible for anything that happens and things might change.
 
Actually, the "terrorists" mostly just get vegetarian meals as an alternative to eating food that conflicts with their religious beliefs. Which is the same option provided to prisoners who are Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, or Jehovah's Witnesses.

Whether they get anything above that-like Halal meat- isn't required by law or "liberal lawyers." It's voluntarily provided by the prisons, and many don't.

And yeah, not letting prisoners murder eachother is a pretty basic part of being civilized. Weird how guards aren't supposed to have murders happen on their watch.
I always heard from friends in the service that the Humanitarian Rations they had to pass out to local villagers and such in Afghanistan and Iraq were basically rice, some dried vegetables and like, goat jerky.

I've also heard they rarely passed them out either as command always fucked up their supplies so they were stuck on one MRE a day and said fuck it and started eating the "haji bag lunches".
 
Actually, the "terrorists" mostly just get vegetarian meals as an alternative to eating food that conflicts with their religious beliefs. Which is the same option provided to prisoners who are Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, or Jehovah's Witnesses.

Whether they get anything above that-like Halal meat- isn't required by law or "liberal lawyers." It's voluntarily provided by the prisons, and many don't.

And yeah, not letting prisoners murder eachother is a pretty basic part of being civilized. Weird how guards aren't supposed to have murders happen on their watch.

Oh poor prisoners, do they need anything else? Gym. Pool. Library, computers, conjugal visits?

Most are already eating some good food. Especially the kitchen staff, they get to cook meals separate for themselves and it's ridiculous.
 
For some reason they just threw dahmer in like a regular inmate .
He suffered for weeks before being killed.

Yeah, I don't know. There are other high profile guys who aren't in PC either, like Joel Rifkin. That guy roams with the animals. Ed Kemper works in the goddamn prison library where he's at, and is one of the inmates who helps new inmates get settled.

Don't really know what the rules are, when it comes to those guys.
 
Just read on the news a father of three of the victims was hauled out of a courtroom today for trying to attack Nassar at his last sentencing hearing (I had thought it was all done, but apparently not)

He asked the judge for 5 minutes alone with him. Judge declined. Then he said he only needed one. Judge declined again. Then he rushed the table Nasaar was sitting at but court officials got to him first. As he was being dragged down, the father was reaching out his arms and crying "let me at him"

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Should have done this years ago bro. Hope he doesn't get some contempt of court charge for this not well thought out move

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I doubt he gets charges, what jury would convict him?

I hate saying it but deputies should have tripped trying to get dad. Would br hard as hell for me to restrain a father like that, cause if it was my kids I would feel the same way.
 
I doubt he gets charges, what jury would convict him?

I hate saying it but deputies should have tripped trying to get dad. Would br hard as hell for me to restrain a father like that, cause if it was my kids I would feel the same way.
He'll probably get charged and ultimately the plea will end with like a misdo for disorderly which is a singular fine.

Problem is if they do NOT charge him then it's a "well, when DO you?" cause the guy tried to attack someone.

It sucks and I feel for him and I guarantee whichever prosecutor is writing up charges doesn't want to but it's a situation where they're forced to as the guy got forcibly removed by law enforcement.
 
He'll probably get charged and ultimately the plea will end with like a misdo for disorderly which is a singular fine.

Problem is if they do NOT charge him then it's a "well, when DO you?" cause the guy tried to attack someone.

It sucks and I feel for him and I guarantee whichever prosecutor is writing up charges doesn't want to but it's a situation where they're forced to as the guy got forcibly removed by law enforcement.

He could just get held in contempt for a few hours and released with a warning from the Judge.
 
He could just get held in contempt for a few hours and released with a warning from the Judge.
In my state we don't have contempt laws (or I've never seen them used). Shit like this gets you like a disturbing the peace or disorderly ticket.
 
In my state we don't have contempt laws (or I've never seen them used). Shit like this gets you like a disturbing the peace or disorderly ticket.

Gotchya. Not from Michigan.

Guess it's up to prosecutorial discretion then.
 
Gotchya. Not from Michigan.

Guess it's up to prosecutorial discretion then.
Yeah, as far as I know in WA we don't have something like what you see in shows like Law and Order... it's usually a ticket.
 
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Excerpt from Rachael Denhollander's statement
"When Brooke Lemmen, one of the doctors Larry was allowed to hand-pick to clear himself in 2014, was interviewed for my investigation, she said I hadn’t really been penetrated ― I only thought I had, because, quote, when I am a 15-year-old girl, I think everything between my legs is my vagina. I only thought Larry had put his fingers in me for up to 40 minutes at a time for a full year. I was just confused. Sounds eerily familiar to what Amanda Thomas Shaw was told in 2014 that she, quote, didn’t understand the nuanced differences between sexual assault and a medical exam.

It sounds eerily familiar to what every single woman was told all the way back to 1997. We were all wrong. We were all just confused. Board of trustees, is this the right way to handle disclosures of sexual assault on MSU’s campus? And if that were not bad enough, when I finally joined the civil suit five months later, after waiting for almost half a year for MSU to do the right thing, the vice president of the board of trustees, Joel Ferguson, went on television and gave a press interview in which he claimed those of us who have filed lawsuits were ambulance chasers who were looking for a payday.

In fact, I know that at least one other high-ranking MSU official has specifically called me out by name and said I’m in it for the money. This has never been contradicted, retracted or refuted. MSU, you need to realize that you are greatly compounding the damage done to these abuse victims by the way you are responding. This, what it took to get here, what we had to go through for our voices to be heard because of the responses of the adults in authority, has greatly compounded the damage we suffer. And it matters."

Tell me MSU officials shouldn't be charged with crimes. I'd like anyone to try and argue against it.
 
Watching real Dad hearing on live news now.

He better get nothing.
 
He got off with a warning. Good.

You can still see the hate burning in his eyes during his apology and I wish he finds satisfaction.
 
I doubt he gets charges, what jury would convict him?

I hate saying it but deputies should have tripped trying to get dad. Would br hard as hell for me to restrain a father like that, cause if it was my kids I would feel the same way.

You could see the deputies being as gentle as they could. Too many cameras to be "slow" and I feel sorry for them
 
Haha just saw judge just asked him to apologize and it looks like that is it.
 
If father snuck in a gun, and shot Nassar dead, I wonder if they let him off easy.
 
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