Universal/socialist healthcare is worse than what we have now

When doctors are forced to accept one healthcare that erases competition, and their wages will go down. That will in Turn make the job less appealing resulting in less qualified candidates. And yes it will affect the number of patients, everyone and their grandmother is going to go to the doctor for a stubbed toe. It happens in all countries where there is UhC

Did you skip the entire part of my post where I already addressed this? It was right after the single sentence you chose to include.
 
Did you skip the entire part of my post where I already addressed this? It was right after the single sentence you chose to include.
I chose to skip the opinion part of your piece, yes
 
I chose to skip the opinion part of your piece, yes

Got it. You skipped the opinion part of my piece by selectively responding to an opinion part of my piece with your own...opinion.
 
I live in Canada, and those wait time numbers for diagnostic services are bogus. I had X-Ray, blood test and ultrasound done in the past two years. X-Ray and blood test were both walk-in, no appointment necessary. Ultrasound (for stomach pain) took about 3 weeks wait time. My mother had CT scan and MRI done to check for Parkinson's/MS, CT was within 1 week and MRI less than a month.
 
I live in Canada, and those wait time numbers for diagnostic services are bogus. I had X-Ray, blood test and ultrasound done in the past two years. X-Ray and blood test were both walk-in, no appointment necessary. Ultrasound (for stomach pain) took about 3 weeks wait time. My mother had CT scan and MRI done to check for Parkinson's/MS, CT was within 1 week and MRI less than a month.
Ultrasound for stomach pain taking three weeks? What if it's appendicitis? You're gonna wait three weeks for them to tell you your appendix exploded?
 
Universal health coverage in the United States would be a disaster. Medicaid is already destroying the quality of care of actual hard working Americans. Changes need to be made to healthcare but universal coverage is not the answer. EMTALA needs to go along with Medicaid and costs will go down. Penalties for overweight people and smokers need to be increased. It's a sad day in America when young people idolize an Anti-American piece of shit like Bernie Sanders who promotes these ideas that don't work and go against everything that America was founded on. If you want free healthcare move to Cuba or Venezuela.
Ok so you actually don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
 
Really Americans subsidize the world. We pay exorbitant prices for medicine which allows pharmaceutical companies to charge citizens of other countries less.

I would love to have universal healthcare and I think it could work. ... just not with our political system and our politicians. They are not capable of fixing even the most minor problem. There are just simply too many special interests and too much money in politics.
It's really the root of every problem we face. I think we would need a total restructuring of our government to achieve a plan that is both affordable and affective. To do it before then is just asking for a total disaster. It would be like hiring a group of 8th graders to build a bridge across the Mississippi.
 
Ultrasound for stomach pain taking three weeks? What if it's appendicitis? You're gonna wait three weeks for them to tell you your appendix exploded?
Yeah. Not like they would have checked for that. Like at all maaaan.

Damn you dumb
 
Really Americans subsidize the world. We pay exorbitant prices for medicine which allows pharmaceutical companies to charge citizens of other countries less.

I would love to have universal healthcare and I think it could work. ... just not with our political system and our politicians. They are not capable of fixing even the most minor problem. There are just simply too many special interests and too much money in politics.
It's really the root of every problem we face. I think we would need a total restructuring of our government to achieve a plan that is both affordable and affective. To do it before then is just asking for a total disaster. It would be like hiring a group of 8th graders to build a bridge across the Mississippi.
Bogus myth. Americans subsidize billion dollar board room bonuses because they are stupid
 
Ultrasound for stomach pain taking three weeks? What if it's appendicitis? You're gonna wait three weeks for them to tell you your appendix exploded?

You're thinking about a scheduled ultrasound as opposed to an emergency room procedure which would still take place pretty much shortly after entering the ER.

It's interesting, so many people discuss UHC as if emergency rooms would stop operating.
 
This is not to say our current healthcare situation is ide, but I'd rather pay a decent copay and have access to care whenever the fuсk I want, than to wait 6 months for an x ray and pay an assload of taxes to take care of all the sick people in the country. The overwhelming majority of people have healthcare through their job and Medicare is pretty good for the old folks. Show me examples of people being denied access to healthcare and we'll fight that injustice together.
Maybe you should research a bit more. I've had to wait 6 months to see certain doctors in the US. Show me where people in countries with good universal health care wait 6 months for an X-Ray
 
Bogus myth. Americans subsidize billion dollar board room bonuses because they are stupid


Of course we do that's my point. We subsidize every major industry. The military industrial complex is worse than could have been imagined. Tell me one thing the federal government can do efficiently
 
What's the issue? Looking to the charity of neighbors is well founded in conservative economic ideals.

So handouts from strangers is good, handouts from the government is bad?
 
this thread needs a poll
and some people who know what they're talking about
 
Prices are way more expensive in the US because way more people are getting rich off it.

Schools. .. Thanks to government backed student loans college tuition has gone through the roof. Administrators are making millions. ...campuses are building stadiums and fountains and statues and anything else they can do to lower their profits.

Lawyers....Our tort laws are outrageous which allow certain patients to hit the lottery as long as some slime ball lawyer gets his third.

Drs...well they have a quartet million in student loans and a fortune in malpractice insurance so they have to be specialists to pay the shit back.

Insurance companies have to get their pound of flesh. They have no incentive for prices to stay low since they just raise rates and can't even compete across state lines. .. That's why every other fkn prime time commercial on tv is for an insurance company. Tens of billions in "operating costs down the shitter".

Then there's the pharmaceutical companies who have a license to hold our health ransom and patents enforced by good old uncle Sam. Nowhere do we get fucked whose than here....just how many congressman do you think they own lock stock and barrel?
 
Maybe you should research a bit more. I've had to wait 6 months to see certain doctors in the US. Show me where people in countries with good universal health care wait 6 months for an X-Ray

I've never had to wait for an X-Ray, although I would have had to wait for a specialist referral for an MRI for a couple of herniated disks, so I just paid the $120 gap to have it done immediately on referral from my GP (it's been changed now so that GPs can make MRI referrals prior to a specialist visit).
That said, service did decline remarkably when the state Government privatised and "colocated" what was my local hospital at the time (Modbury).
Twice I went in with broken bones and once had to go back for X-Rays another day because the doctors rushed through the appointment and thought it was just soft tissue damage based on my grip strength (it was a broken scaphoid), and the next time I went in (broken thumb) I had to insist that I get an x-ray because I knew it was broken.
That was after failed privatisation at that particular Hospital though (they were running at a loss, had bed shortages and all sorts of staffing issues). I switched to another public hospital and had no such problems (well, aside from the problems of a broken clavicle and a dislocated kneecap).
 
how well do you know your government?

The point is it's exactly the same. a handout is a handout. I just find it funny that a conservative cried about paying for other people's healthcare and here he is asking other people to pay for his healthcare.
 
The point is it's exactly the same. a handout is a handout. I just find it funny that a conservative cried about paying for other people's healthcare and here he is asking other people to pay for his healthcare.

is it funny because he's gay
or because he's a conservative?
be honest...
 
Has any non American ever said the American system is better than theirs?






Well you just saved me writing out a bunch of stuff.

As to wait times last injury i had i waited about 15 mins for my appointment i booked the previous day. Got a referral and got an xray the same day and paid $0.00 in total.
Ignored pain that turned out to be pneumonia. Got critically ill.

Emergency admission, lung puncture and drain, lung wash under general anaesthetic, flying doctor to RPH, 5 days in coma intubated and on respirator. 3weeks recovery in hospital. Total bill $0
 
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