Universal/socialist healthcare is worse than what we have now

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This is not to say our current healthcare situation is ide, but I'd rather pay a decent copay and have access to care whenever the fuсk I want, than to wait 6 months for an x ray and pay an assload of taxes to take care of all the sick people in the country. The overwhelming majority of people have healthcare through their job and Medicare is pretty good for the old folks. Show me examples of people being denied access to healthcare and we'll fight that injustice together.
 
1) Deamonte Driver, a 12-year-old homeless child, died Sunday in a District hospital after an infection from a molar spread to his brain.

At the time he fell ill, his family's Medicaid coverage had lapsed. Even on the state plan, his mother said, the children lacked regular dental care and she had great difficulty finding a dentist. [The Washington Post, 3/3/07]

2) The South Carolina Supreme Court has ordered an insurance company to pay $10 million for wrongly revoking the insurance policy of a 17-year-old college student after he tested positive for HIV. The court called the 2002 decision by the insurance company "reprehensible."


Mitchell learned that he had HIV when, while heading to college, he donated blood. Fortis then rescinded his coverage, citing what turned out to be an erroneous note from a nurse in his medical records that indicated that he might have been diagnosed prior to his obtaining his insurance policy.

Before the cancellation of the policy, an underwriter working for Fortis wrote to a committee considering whether or not to rescind his policy: "Technically, we do not have the results of the HIV tests. This is the only entry in the medical records regarding HIV status. Is it sufficient?" The underwriter's concerns were ignored and the rescission went forward. [Huffington Post, 9/17/09]

3) In June 2003, Shirley Loewe went to Good Shepherd Medical Center here with a softball-size lump in her breast and was diagnosed with a rare form of breast cancer. She didn't know it, but she had just made a big mistake.

Ms. Loewe was uninsured. Under federal law, she could have gotten Medicaid coverage -- and saved herself a lot of hardship -- if she'd gone to a different clinic less than a half-mile away. But by walking through Good Shepherd's doors, Ms. Loewe unwittingly let that opportunity slip and embarked on a four-year journey through the Byzantine U.S. health-care system.

It was an odyssey that would take her to five hospitals, two clinics, two charitable organizations and two nursing homes in two states. She was denied assistance or care at least six times along the way, for reasons that ranged from not being poor enough to not being sick enough.

Ms. Loewe eventually got treatment, but at personal cost and great aggravation. [The Wall Street Journal, 9/13/07]

Over 7.5 Million People Denied Medical Care By Health Plans In First Six Months Of Bush's First Term.According to data from the Census Bureau and a report from the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation analyzed by Families USA, "[M]ore than 7.5 million people experienced a problem with their health plan that resulted in a denial or delay of health care" in the month from President George W. Bush's inauguration to June 2001. Families USA wrote:


https://www.mediamatters.org/resear...ox-asked-here-are-examples-of-people-w/196139
 
The system isn't perfect but more insured is better every time than less insured. I'm not necessarily advocating for single payer as I'm on an employer plan and I absolutely love it but Canadians are certainly not rushing to the US to have procedures done
 
Universal health care is great, if it's implemented properly. Germany has a good system imo. You pay a little more tax for it, but it's soooo easy and cheap compared to the mess that US health care is.

The American system will never be fixed, as long as drug companies and insurance companies are given free reign to suck as much money as they possibly can out of the system.
 
The system isn't perfect but more insured is better every time than less insured. I'm not necessarily advocating for single payer as I'm on an employer plan and I absolutely love it but Canadians are certainly not rushing to the US to have procedures done
Is your goal for people to be insured or for people to have affordable healthcare?
 
Is your goal for people to be insured or for people to have affordable healthcare?

Both. I want ALL people to be insured and I want health care to more affordable. Just because one is insured doesn't mean it's affordable. What is affordable for you may not be affordable for me and vice versa. Younger people should pay to care for the old people. To me it's simply humanity and kind of how insurance works anyway.

Ultimately I would like to see people like me be able to keep my health plan and have something like a medicare for all so people who cannot afford healthcare can still have insurance. It may not be as good as my plan but at least it covers them in case of a catastrophic illness or injury. Nobody should go broke because they get sick
 
This thread seems completely legitimate.
 
Yes covering more people and spending half to do it is so much worse. Its better to pay more and waste money just to thumb your nose at poor people.
 
This is not to say our current healthcare situation is ide, but I'd rather pay a decent copay and have access to care whenever the fuсk I want, than to wait 6 months for an x ray and pay an assload of taxes to take care of all the sick people in the country. The overwhelming majority of people have healthcare through their job and Medicare is pretty good for the old folks. Show me examples of people being denied access to healthcare and we'll fight that injustice together.

You already subsidize healthcare for the indigent through higher health insurance premiums because the hospitals inflate rates to cover the cost of providing care for the non-insured - their only recourse being the emergency room, which drives up costs even more.

Allowing for preventative care, which universal healthcare would provide, would cut down those expensive problems that healthcare providers are forced to deal with when people let things get too far (lack of preventative care).

Look at it this way, is it cheaper to pay for some bum to get a mole removed in a simple office setting, or to wait until it turns into skin cancer and paying for the requisite care it entails? Because you are paying for it either way.
 
This is not to say our current healthcare situation is ide, but I'd rather pay a decent copay and have access to care whenever the fuсk I want, than to wait 6 months for an x ray and pay an assload of taxes to take care of all the sick people in the country. The overwhelming majority of people have healthcare through their job and Medicare is pretty good for the old folks. Show me examples of people being denied access to healthcare and we'll fight that injustice together.
Back to the OT, pleb.
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This is not to say our current healthcare situation is ide, but I'd rather pay a decent copay and have access to care whenever the fuсk I want, than to wait 6 months for an x ray and pay an assload of taxes to take care of all the sick people in the country. The overwhelming majority of people have healthcare through their job and Medicare is pretty good for the old folks. Show me examples of people being denied access to healthcare and we'll fight that injustice together.

Universal health care here

I can get xray same day as I get a requisition/referral from a doctor
 
I'm in a country with UHC. I also went for private insurance through my employer tax free. It cost me the equivalent of 480 bucks.

A year.

There were no medical bankruptcies in my country last year.
 
Yes covering more people and spending half to do it is so much worse. Its better to pay more and waste money just to thumb your nose at poor people.

The fact that we are still debating this in the United States really makes it impossible for me to have any hope for our country.

It's so fucking obvious.
 
Ever been to the VA?

If you want universal healthcare in the US, clean up the damned VA. It is the single worst argument for government run healthcare.
 
Great
Fast
Cheap


Pick two out of the three, because your national healthcare system can't have all 3
 
Dont know wtf youre talking about ts, and neither do you clearly. Universal healthcare in Canada shits all over everything the US has going on right now.

Americans : BRB dad got sick and now we have to mortgage our house to pay for his bills and the next 3 generations of my family will live in poverty.

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The fact that we are still debating this in the United States really makes it impossible for me to have any hope for our country.

It's so fucking obvious.

Its funny because they fake right-wingers pretend to care so much about costs, yet the Murkan system costs 2-3x more than other countries in terms of GDP, with a bigger GDP and theyre response is "well at least were fvkin over poor people so im good with that"
 
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