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  1. brody_in_ga White Belt

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    I'm curious, does this "unconscious bias" affect only white people? Usually, this sorta thing is trotted out to condemn white men who would dare to deny that they're racist...So to convince them, you tell them they really are racist, but they're just not aware of it...

    As for your question, I would argue that such "biases" are fundamental to the human condition. Black, white, brown, etc.. will almost always assume things about other races and cultures. The best we can do is to try and teach our kids to respect one another and judge all men by the content of their character.

    Making people attend "diversity" meetings and such will only further the divide, IMHO.
     
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  2. panamaican Senior Moderator

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    Yeah, it is pretty much immediate and lasting. This isn't my opinion. The research has shown that it doesn't take more than one exposure to training to create a lasting positive effect. And this is across a broad range of implicit biases, not just race related ones.

    This is a bit like those people who refused to believe the sub was the center of the universe. They couldn't see it so they refused to believe it. 99% of them weren't even aware of the Earth itself spinning but they were certain that the math supporting heliocentrism was wrong.

    Unconscious bias and the ways to mitigate it isn't something new, there are years of research behind it at this point.
     
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    So you're going to continue quoting research to support your stance on an unconscious decision that someone isn't aware they've made, but proclaims to show a noticeable change?

    How exactly does a researcher establish a baseline/control group in such a study?
     
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    But seriously, if everyone meditated for 30 minutes a day under a qualified non-denominational teacher, it would get rid of half* the world's problems.
















    *It's science
     
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  6. Jake the Muss Brown Belt

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    I have updated the OP to divide the comments into productive, and counter-productive comments.

    It seems like there is a lot more people who are leaning towards keeping things the same.

    For those who are against the productive statements, aren't you tired of hearing these stories and having these discussions?

    Don't you want to push the conversation forward so that we could focus on more important stuff?

    If we don't target and tackle the problem, it is just going to be more of the same annoying discussions.
     
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  7. cincymma79 Red Belt

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    i do wonder about this stuff given the horrible measuring stick of self reported data and not tied to anything tangible. this was a follow up study in the last example for instance. i'm gonna need a ten year follow up of the workforce studied, maybe longer, before i agree 100%. promising perhaps? just knowing you're being measured alone might have an effect
     
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  8. Trotsky Double Yellow Card

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    The OP made me lolololol with the shaming list of "counter-productive rhetoric."

    Anyways, this is an immensely complicated issue, but (clearly) the solution isn't throwing your hands up, screaming "cultural marxism!," and embracing ignorance.

    Education is, of course, the conduit for change - but how to reach persons (like many in this thread) of.....modest intellectual faculties and relative disinterest in learning: that is the challenge.
     
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    I'm in favor of the HEURISTIC model, myself.

    *shrugs*
     
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  10. panamaican Senior Moderator

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    @Jake the Muss My update should be training for government workers (teachers, policemen, judges, etc.). I don't think we need to train the general population.
     
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    Awareness.

    Preferably not in the form of accusations and attacks.
     
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    Like @panamaican simply educating people about the existence of unconscious biases and how it manifests itself in our daily lives would help. That can be done at work and in schools. Beyond that not sure there's much that can be done.
     
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    Don't you think that exposing high school aged students to something like this could be beneficial? Of course it'd have to be designed with them in mind.
     
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  14. Jake the Muss Brown Belt

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    Did you watch the video on the front page?

    This type of training can be introduced in junior school all the way up to adults.

    @panamaican the problem with waiting until a person is of a certain age or position is that they build up a resistance to the training. They would've already found their voice, and do not have any problems exercising their authority and may even obstruct the process.







    @IDL of course children should get access to this type of training, they are a lot more malleable.
     
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    The threshold we're looking for is to make you feel guilty enough about your whiteness that we can usher in the black/brown hostile takeover and propagate our cultural marxism.
     
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  16. Jake the Muss Brown Belt

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    That's a good question. I think addressing these unconscious biases is important but measuring success here seems difficult to me atm. Maybe there's an obvious answer I'm missing here though.
     
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    lol damn that's a lot of white progressive delusion.
     
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    ^ here is all you need to know on the subject from someone who knows the SCIENCE behind it.
     
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  20. LogicalInsanity Gold Belt

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    Personally, I think a good first step is to have an open, candid dialogue about this...

    Coincidentally, I recently attended a seminar on this very topic.

    What hinders progress on this issue is that people are incredibly reluctant, if not down right terrified to discuss anything race related in an open setting .
     
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