UFC belts never had any legitimacy and here's why

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From the perspective of a real sport UFC belts hold no legitimacy whatsoever. UFC is a private company, it's not a sanctioning international globally recognized sport federation and is thus in no position to declare anyone as a "world champion" of anything. It has just about as much legitimacy as me declaring a random guy on the street "heavyweight champion of the world".

In boxing, you have the belts given out by legit major international sanctioning organizations like the WBA, IBF, WBC and WBO. Now you can argue that there's corruption in these organizations but individual cases of corruption don't undermine the legitimacy of a system as such. Many football fans say that organizations like UEFA and FIFA are corrupt but they don't argue against the very existence of these organizations. It's a case of corruption existing in a legit system.

In the UFC however the system itself is corrupt from the very beginning.

For example you had Bob Arum supposedly paying bribes to IBF to manipulate the rankings. Well in the case of the UFC Bob Arum (Dana White) is the IBF, he is in charge of the rankings and is handing out the titles. So what's a despicable case of corruption in boxing is basically daily reality in the UFC.

A private company that only has one purpose and that's to make money has absolutely no business handing out sport titles or creating some sort of rankings. It's a clear conflict of interest. It's especially ridiculous because the UFC doesn't even co-promote and their fighters aren't fighting anyone outside of UFC. That's why MMA isn't a legitimate sport and boxing is. Those make-believe belts in the UFC are completely worthless other than being a marketing tool. It was always like this and always will be. At best those guys are the champions of the UFC, a showbiz company like WWE.
 
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Nah. They are the world titles in MMA. No other organisation has a claim to any title in terms of talent. You can pretend Rizin is the best. I'll stick with UFC and the real world champions.

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Youre a fucking idiot.

Is like saying money has no use because humans invented it. Fuck outta here.
 
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Something UFC illegitimate, WBO, IBF, WBA, legit sports orgs, something, something, co promotion, UFC belts as legit as handing out belts to random homeless people, something, uh, yeah I agree there should be a better system in place for ranking and title shots other than the mighty dollar.
 
From the perspective of a real sport UFC belts hold no legitimacy whatsoever. UFC is a private company, it's not a sanctioning international globally recognized sport federation and is thus in no position to declare anyone as a "world champion" of anything. It has just about as much legitimacy as me declaring a random guy on the street "heavyweight champion of the world".

In boxing, you have the belts given out by legit major international sanctioning organizations like the WBA, IBF, WBC and WBO. Now you can argue that there's corruption in these organizations but individual cases of corruption don't undermine the legitimacy of a system as such. Many football fans say that organizations like UEFA and FIFA are corrupt but they don't argue against the very existence of these organizations. It's a case of corruption existing in a legit system.

In the UFC however the system itself is corrupt from the very beginning.

For example you had Bob Arum supposedly paying bribes to IBF to manipulate the rankings. Well in the case of the UFC Bob Arum (Dana White) is the IBF, he is in charge of the rankings and is handing out the titles. So what's a despicable case of corruption in boxing is basically daily reality in the UFC.

A private company that only has one purpose and that's to make money has absolutely no business handing out sport titles or creating some sort of rankings. It's a clear conflict of interest. It's especially ridiculous because the UFC doesn't even co-promote and their fighters aren't fighting anyone outside of UFC. That's why MMA isn't a legitimate sport and boxing is. Those make-believe belts in the UFC are completely worthless other than being a marketing tool. It was always like this and always will be. At best those guys are the champions of the UFC, a showbiz company like WWE.
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Nah. They are the world titles in MMA. No other organisation has a claim to any title in terms of talent. You can pretend Rizin is the best. I'll stick with UFC and the real world champions.

<{Joewithit}>

Neither has legitimacy to declare their guys as the best in the world, MMA would need sanctioning orgs like boxing has to become a legit sport. The sanctioning bodies independent from promoters that would force guys from different promotions to fight each other or vacate. Just like Canelo had to vacate his belt.

If boxing was like UFC Golden Boy Promotions would just declare Canelo as the "middleweight champion of the world", avoid GGG like they avoided Ben Askren and the boxing equivalent of UFC fans would see this as legit.
 
I'll stick with UFC and the real world champions.

The UFC could declare CM Punk as the champion of the world and there would be no legitimate sanctioning sport federation that would be able to do anything about it. And ignorant UFC fans would still claim UFC is a "sport".

MMA simply doesn't have the structure of a real sport. UFC is basically showbiz like WWE, it's not under proper supervision and isn't part of any globally sanctioned competitive format.
 
From the perspective of a real sport UFC belts hold no legitimacy whatsoever. UFC is a private company, it's not a sanctioning international globally recognized sport federation and is thus in no position to declare anyone as a "world champion" of anything. It has just about as much legitimacy as me declaring a random guy on the street "heavyweight champion of the world".

In boxing, you have the belts given out by legit major international sanctioning organizations like the WBA, IBF, WBC and WBO. Now you can argue that there's corruption in these organizations but individual cases of corruption don't undermine the legitimacy of a system as such. Many football fans say that organizations like UEFA and FIFA are corrupt but they don't argue against the very existence of these organizations. It's a case of corruption existing in a legit system.

In the UFC however the system itself is corrupt from the very beginning.

For example you had Bob Arum supposedly paying bribes to IBF to manipulate the rankings. Well in the case of the UFC Bob Arum (Dana White) is the IBF, he is in charge of the rankings and is handing out the titles. So what's a despicable case of corruption in boxing is basically daily reality in the UFC.

A private company that only has one purpose and that's to make money has absolutely no business handing out sport titles or creating some sort of rankings. It's a clear conflict of interest. It's especially ridiculous because the UFC doesn't even co-promote and their fighters aren't fighting anyone outside of UFC. That's why MMA isn't a legitimate sport and boxing is. Those make-believe belts in the UFC are completely worthless other than being a marketing tool. It was always like this and always will be. At best those guys are the champions of the UFC, a showbiz company like WWE.

There was a time when no one has to listen to idiots, because idiots didn't have a platform on which to speak...and then someone had to go and create the internet...so here we are...
 
Op is correct. So this is the best we got at this point in time. Itaint changing anytime soon.
 
Yeah but it's all in people's mind anyway. And everyone knows the toughest and best fighters in the world are in the UFC right now.
 
He makes some valid points.

As a related illustration, who did Ronda Rousey's fight to become the 135 lb champion of the UFC?
 
Bottom line is now that there's no competition for the UFC, having a UFC belt means you are the undisputed #1 at your weight. So yes, there is a lot of legitimacy there.
 
No legitimacy at all would be if the UFC was also the ref, judges and athletic commission.

There is only so much corruption Dana can inject into matters. The belt still must be won in a sanctioned fight ruled over by an independent referee and independent judges.

DFW gets to make shiesty matchups, but the belt still ends up where it should the majority of the time, and it still has to be won in a bout not controlled by the UFC.

Your point is valid, to a point.
 
You are right, but they call their champions "UFC weight division champion of the world", legitimate or not they're not claiming that an UFC champion is the definitive mma champion of a weight class.
 
He makes some valid points.

As a related illustration, who did Ronda Rousey's fight to become the 135 lb champion of the UFC?

That's where DFW gets to fudge the lines a bit. Is it outright wrong to simply name the Strikeforce champion the UFC champion in a vacant division? Well, I'd say not really. But it's kinda fuct that she gets a free pass because DFW wants to snuggle his bald head between her flapjacks.

But at the same time, I don't know if I'm opposed on principle to naming the highest titleholder outside the UFC the UFC champion in a new division.
 
He makes some valid points.

As a related illustration, who did Ronda Rousey's fight to become the 135 lb champion of the UFC?
Dana dropped a belt on her lap on her first day of work. But to be fair she was a champ from Strikeforce.

The UFC could create an intercontinental belt and put it on CM Punk .
 
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