U.S. and Russia working together? reported to agree to expelling Iran from Syria

[SouthoftheAndes]

http://www.westernjournalism.com/u-...yria-assad-issues-new-chilling-threat-israel/


Yes!!!

Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu of Israel, however, denied Russia had conveyed such a message to Israel and told reporters that Russia had not changed its policy of coordination with the Israeli army in Syria.

“It’s simply incorrect to say the Russians are changing their policy toward us,” Netanyahu said during a visit to China.

“My policy is consistent, and this is also what I told Putin,” the Israeli leader told reporters.

“We will not allow Israel to be attacked from Syrian territory and we will not tolerate the transfer of advanced weaponry of those entering Syria — Hezbollah — to the extent that we detect it,” Netanyahu added.

 

[Orgasmo]

Iran has about the same chance of getting expelled from Syria as Israeli lobbyists being kicked out of Washington.

In other words, not happening

 

[whougonnacall]

Id very much doubt iran is going anywhere ..russia may be the big player in the regime axis but iran is just as essential for its survival.

 

[Lonesome Crow]

Id very much doubt iran is going anywhere ..russia may be the big player in the regime axis but iran is just as essential for its survival.

You're assuming Assad's regime will survive. The US and Russia may have agreed to getting rid of Assad. Russia doesn't give two fucks who runs that country so long as they can keep their military installations and whatever replaces Assad remains a Russian client state. And if Putin has to throw those crazy mullahs in Tehran under the bus achieve his objectives, you know damn well he's gonna do it.

 

[Boost6]

You're assuming Assad's regime will survive. The US and Russia may have agreed to getting rid of Assad. Russia doesn't give two fucks who runs that country so long as they can keep their military installations and whatever replaces Assad remains a Russian client state. And if Putin has to throw those crazy mullahs in Tehran under the bus achieve his objectives, you know damn well he's gonna do it.

Long term that is very possible, Iran will become eventually a threat to Russia.

While keeping their bases is the main goal, i doubt they care if isis rules half of Syria. Though Assad has been a loyal dog long term.

 

[KantoTerror]

You're assuming Assad's regime will survive. The US and Russia may have agreed to getting rid of Assad. Russia doesn't give two fucks who runs that country so long as they can keep their military installations and whatever replaces Assad remains a Russian client state. And if Putin has to throw those crazy mullahs in Tehran under the bus achieve his objectives, you know damn well he's gonna do it.

Russia knows...Assad will continue to be their "do-this-man"...sure he can be replaced but why is the question.

 

[Lonesome Crow]

Russia knows...Assad will continue to be their "do-this-man"...sure he can be replaced but why is the question.

Why?

Because even if his side wins the war, Assad might not survive the outcome. You think Suheil al-Hassan (or somebody else like him) is gonna accept a pat on the back, a nice gold watch and a thank you for all they've done and nothing else? Shit, the Tiger just might decide that a punk bitch like Assad should be clipped before Assad and his mukhabarat flunkies decide to take him out cause he's a potential threat to them.

There are thousands of Russian troops and intel agents in country. They've had plenty of opportunities to identify other "do-this-men".

 

[KantoTerror]

Why?

Because even if his side wins the war, Assad might not survive the outcome. You think Suheil al-Hassan (or somebody else like him) is gonna accept a pat on the back, a nice gold watch and a thank you for all they've done and nothing else? Shit, the Tiger just might decide that a punk bitch like Assad should be clipped before Assad and his mukhabarat flunkies decide to take him out cause he's a potential threat to them.

There are thousands of Russian troops and intel agents in country. They've had plenty of opportunities to identify other "do-this-men".

Assad hasn't shown signs he's going to flip on Russia. They know he's balls deep.

 

[whougonnacall]

You're assuming Assad's regime will survive. The US and Russia may have agreed to getting rid of Assad. Russia doesn't give two fucks who runs that country so long as they can keep their military installations and whatever replaces Assad remains a Russian client state. And if Putin has to throw those crazy mullahs in Tehran under the bus achieve his objectives, you know damn well he's gonna do it.

The russians are sorta stuck with the mullahs though they dont want to have to plug the regimes manpower gaps themselves which theyd have to do if they kicked iran out
At the same time israel is getting impatient over their borders, turkey just got fucked and prob will retaliate indirectly and isis collapse will bring things to a head
Russis is in a tricky situation bleeding cash and now men juggling to keep all players happy trying to push through a peace deal thatl never stick.

Then mix in the issues with both turkey and iran vs kurds and russia trying to placate both sides there

 

[Sauron]

I'm calling BS.

Russia and Iran are in Syria for the long haul. The Americans can leave on a whim, and ultimately are anti-Russia. When Trump goes the anti-Russian contingent in congress aren't suddenly going to disappear.

 

[Lonesome Crow]

Assad hasn't shown signs he's going to flip on Russia. They know he's balls deep.

Doesn't matter if he flips or not. If he's outlived his usefulness, he'll get kicked to the curb. That's business. Putin's not an ideologue; he's straight up fuckin' gangster.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Sounds like we might be getting war... Trump voters were sure was the other side's goal!

 

[Lonesome Crow]

The russians are sorta stuck with the mullahs though they dont want to have to plug the regimes manpower gaps themselves which theyd have to do if they kicked iran out
At the same time israel is getting impatient over their borders, turkey just got fucked and prob will retaliate indirectly and isis collapse will bring things to a head
Russis is in a tricky situation bleeding cash and now men juggling to keep all players happy trying to push through a peace deal thatl never stick.

Then mix in the issues with both turkey and iran vs kurds and russia trying to placate both sides there

Not really. I think that Russia and US can agree on two things: destroy ISIS and roll back Iran. Russia's main competition for influence in that arena is not the US, it's Iran. Iraq and Syria were both Russian client states prior to the overthrow of Saddam. When the US fumbled post-Saddam Iraq, Iran swept in and set up shop. The idea that Iraq or Syria are ever going to be pro-American governments in at least the near future is not very likely. If the choice is between Putin and the mullahs, then the choice is to go with non-apocalyptic religious nutjob.

And Turkey is easy. All Erdogan cares about is his own grip on power. He'd sell out Eastern Turkey to Armenia if it guaranteed him another 30 years in power. So drop all opposition to his power grab, and he can be brought on board.

The Kurds are just gonna screwed over again.

 

[whougonnacall]

Not really. I think that Russia and US can agree on two things: destroy ISIS and roll back Iran. Russia's main competition for influence in that arena is not the US, it's Iran. Iraq and Syria were both Russian client states prior to the overthrow of Saddam. When the US fumbled post-Saddam Iraq, Iran swept in and set up shop. The idea that Iraq or Syria are ever going to be pro-American governments in at least the near future is not very likely. If the choice is between Putin and the mullahs, then the choice is to go with non-apocalyptic religious nutjob.

And Turkey is easy. All Erdogan cares about is his own grip on power. He'd sell out Eastern Turkey to Armenia if it guaranteed him another 30 years in power. So drop all opposition to his power grab, and he can be brought on board.

The Kurds are just gonna screwed over again.

Prob though for russia is iran is the regimes groundforce and russia cant easily squeeze them out without risking being kicked out themselves

 

[Lonesome Crow]

Prob though for russia is iran is the regimes groundforce and russia cant easily squeeze them out without risking being kicked out themselves

Except now there 1000+ US Rangers, Marines, SF and artillery units in Syria backed by the US Air Force. With the leash off, that's more than enough firepower to annihilate all the Hez, IRGC and Shi'ite militias in Syria. The calculus has changed. This isn't the same theater of war as it was even just 4 months ago. Time for some backroom deals.

 

[whougonnacall]

Except now there 1000+ US Rangers, Marines, SF and artillery units in Syria backed by the US Air Force. With the leash off, that's more than enough firepower to annihilate all the Hez, IRGC and Shi'ite militias in Syria. The calculus has changed. This isn't the same theater of war as it was even just 4 months ago. Time for some backroom deals.

Would need a lot more and that would umseat assad so russia prob wouldnt be game
With trump in the white house all were gonna do is bomb isis and maybe push kurds to raqqua while hitting iran with harder sanctions

 

[Lonesome Crow]

Would need a lot more and that would umseat assad so russia prob wouldnt be game
With trump in the white house all were gonna do is bomb isis and maybe push kurds to raqqua while hitting iran with harder sanctions

That's not what I'm saying. I think ultimately, we will acquiesce to a regime victory in Syria. I just don't think that Assad will be leader of the regime anymore. He'll get pushed out for somebody else to the Russians liking and someone who'll take a hardline towards the Iranians which should satisfy the Saudis and Israelis. Shouldn't be hard, everything I've heard points to the regime's own forces hating the Iranians almost as much as they hate the rebels. Apparently, those IRGC and Hez cocksuckers strut around like their shit don't stink and treat their Syrian allies like dogshit.

 

[Calley]

nobody is attacking israel. but they are acting like the airforce of ISIS attacking syrian troops.

 

[whougonnacall]

That's not what I'm saying. I think ultimately, we will acquiesce to a regime victory in Syria. I just don't think that Assad will be leader of the regime anymore. He'll get pushed out for somebody else to the Russians liking and someone who'll take a hardline towards the Iranians which should satisfy the Saudis and Israelis. Shouldn't be hard, everything I've heard points to the regime's own forces hating the Iranians almost as much as they hate the rebels. Apparently, those IRGC and Hez cocksuckers strut around like their shit don't stink and treat their Syrian allies like dogshit.

Theres no such thing as a regime victory though anymore...recapturing all of syria and imposing its pre war north korea level of control is long gone
The iranians cant be pushed out by russia either as they need their manpower to prop regime up
Overall the russian admission of not enough cash to rebuild syria without western help ,isis upcomming collapse and pressure on iran and hezbollah from.u.s and israel means 2017 will be very interesting


Flipside rebels could just swallow pride and make deal that russia bases can stay....assad has 'accident' prob same week and war over within month.