Two best wrestlers in MMA history have no wrestling background

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  1. superpunch

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    It's interesting that the 2 best wrestlers in MMA history have no wrestling background. No amateur wrestling records for either guy. What do you speculate the reasons are?

    I speculate that pure wrestling gives you bad habits for MMA somehow. They started learning wrestling for combat instead of just for pure wrestling competition from the very start of their training. I don't think that's a coincidence.
     
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    The best wrestler in MMA is Ben Askren and he has an amazing background in wrestling.
     
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    I don't know them
     
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    I assume you are referring to GSP and Khabib? I think GSP is especially impressive since he came from a karate background and not grappling, right?
     
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    GSP and Khabib
     
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    What are you talking about? It would help if you actually named some guys so it could generate a discussion. I'm assuming you mean GSP and Khabib?

    Both of those guys have years and years of wrestling experience.
     
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    12.5% of MMA division GOAT spots (LW GOAT and HW GOAT) are held by sambo fighters despite only 0.1% of MMA fighters having a sambo background.

    War Khabib and Fedor. War sambo!
     
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    So you are going to ignore the dozens and dozens and dozens of guys with wrestling background who are filling out the spots past number 2?

    If you to make a declarative statement about wrestling in MMA, you need a larger sample size than two (and if you are including Khabib...he does have a wrestling background).
     
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    Ben Askren and Daniel Cormier could be considered the two best MMA wrestlers in MMA history and they were both Olympic level amateur wrestlers.

    It's hard to say who is the two best MMA wrestler ever. GSP and Khabib are up there too. Khabib has a bit of an amateur record maybe? But regardless, you can't definitively say any of those 4 are necessarily better than another.
     
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    And they're also white? And human.

    Hmmmm.
     
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    They don't need the background, but they, as all successful fighter in this age, do learn to wrestle. It's a necessity. GSP was training wrestling with Olympians and Khabib trains at AKA with his wrestling coach DC.

    It's just goes to show you that superior athletes will always dominate once skill and technique catch up. GSP is the best example of this. GSP didn't have the wrestling background of a Fitch/Koscheck, guys who have been wrestling most of their lives. But he had superior athleticism. So once he learned to wrestle, that athleticism took over and closed the gap.
     
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    The real question is what is the best style of wrestling to train if you want to be a MMA fighter.
    The answer is folkstyle.
     
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    Askren, Cormier and Jones have the best wrestling in terms of fighters with that background. GSP is the best without a background. Everything Khabib does is Sambo oriented so it's hard to say he is the the best wrestler because that is a different discipline under grappling.
     
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    When GSP fought a young wrestling Ace in Hendricks he got rightfully thrashed and went into retirement, just like Khabib would get shut down if he fought Kevin or Gaethje.
     
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    Haven't you heard. Khabib doesn't use sambo anymore. Now he's a freestyle wrestler with "russian boxing"(whatever the hell that is).
     
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    Jon Jones is the GOAT MMA wrestler.

    He ragdolled DC.
     
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    Didn’t Karelin have one MMA fight?
     
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    This is subjective. They seem to be too shelf in MMA wrestling but people like Yoel are obviously much more accomplished. Yoel just chooses to not play that game. I’d imagine Yoel could take down and blanket any fucker in the ufc if he so felt like it.

    When he got fed up if teh Chris wrestling him he started chucking weidman aroud like a flea
     
  19. JackSchtotll

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    No.

    Romero and Jones have wrestling backgrounds. TS is confused.
     
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  20. chaos_36

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    Yup but I think it was a work. Rulon Gardener also fought in MMA.
     

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