Turkish cleric: men without beards are like women, provoke "indecent thoughts."

[JosephDredd]

In case you don't know "houris" means "Virgin"


(koran 55:70-77): “Therein gardens will be fair wives good and beautiful; Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you deny? Houris restrained in pavilions; Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you deny? Whom no man has opened their hymens with sexual intercourse before. Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you deny? Reclining on green cushions and rich beautiful mattresses. Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you deny?"

“The smallest reward for the people of Paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyahto Sana’a"

“The Messenger of God said, ‘Everyone that God admits into paradise will be married to 72 wives,two of them are houris and seventy of his inheritance of the dwellers of hell. All of them will have libidinous sex organs and he will have an ever-erect penis."


(Koran 52:24): “And there will go round boy-servants of theirs, to serve them as if they were preserved pearls.”

(KOran 56:17): “They will be served by immortal boys.”

(Koran 76:19): “And round about them will be boys of everlasting youth. If you see them, you would think them scattered pearls.”

They're being promised not just virgin wives, but virgin boys for their sexual use. Why else did every Islamic ruler have young boys in his seraglio? Was it just by coincidence they all turned out to be bisexual pedophiles?

thank you for providing these qutoes. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens next in this thread.

 

[Phisher]

The Ottomans were certainly massive degenerates. The whole idea of "fundamental Islam", in the sense that homosexuality and debauchery are actually looked down upon by Muslims, hasn't seemed to exist until the more recent times, and perhaps some other short periods of time in history.

They were always a much more vulgar bunch than the "Western degenerates". And it appears that they need very strict rules in order to not descend to that same level of degeneracy that they once practised freely.

^This. Pederasty for the purpose of sexual release outside of marriage has long been practiced. One of the most visible examples of this at present is Bacha Bazi in Afghanistan.

 

[Gregolian]

^This. Pederasty for the purpose of sexual release outside of marriage has long been practiced. One of the most visible examples of this at present is Bacha Bazi in Afghanistan.
*snip*

That dancing boy shit just... *shudder*

Guys I knew that were deployed to Afghanistan saw it and wanted to stop it but couldn't cause "those are the good Afghans helping us"....

 

[Ruprecht]

That dancing boy shit just... *shudder*

Guys I knew that were deployed to Afghanistan saw it and wanted to stop it but couldn't cause "those are the good Afghans helping us"....

No winners there. The American invasion ousting the Taliban may have brought back education for girls, but it didn't get Bin Laden and it also brought back the opium cultivation and "bacha bazi".

 

[Gregolian]

No winners there. The American invasion ousting the Taliban may have brought back education for girls, but it didn't get Bin Laden and it also brought back the opium cultivation and "bacha bazi".

Exactly. I know the Taliban had it slated as "illegal" during 1996-2001 but there's also talk it wasn't really strictly enforced.

When the initial "Dancing Boys" documentary came out I asked friends that had served if it was true and one of them went "well, when I was still in it was classified but thanks to that documentary that shit isn't anymore. Having to stand and not intervene was the hardest part of my job there".

 

[Phisher]

No winners there. The American invasion ousting the Taliban may have brought back education for girls, but it didn't get Bin Laden and it also brought back the opium cultivation and "bacha bazi".

Apparently, Hamid Karzai, the handpicked leader of the country, has family members openly involved in both.

The whole thing is a joke.

 

[Ruprecht]

Exactly. I know the Taliban had it slated as "illegal" during 1996-2001 but there's also talk it wasn't really strictly enforced.

When the initial "Dancing Boys" documentary came out I asked friends that had served if it was true and one of them went "well, when I was still in it was classified but thanks to that documentary that shit isn't anymore. Having to stand and not intervene was the hardest part of my job there".

I used to chat with some Afghan refugees fairly often. Most of them were Hazara, so not exactly in favour of the Taliban, but even so one guy said the majority of the people termed "Taliban" were just local officialdom. Apparently he had an uncle who was "Taliban", despite being half Hazara. Those dictating the Islamist doctrine were a small minority. So patchy enforcement and brutal examples doesn't really come as a surprise. It's not like the Taliban wiped out the Tajik and Pashtun warlords.

 

[Gregolian]

Apparently, Hamid Karzai, the handpicked leader of the country, has family members openly involved in both.

The whole thing is a joke.

To quote my Marine friend (can't remember if he was Recon Battalion or MARSOC but he wasn't some boot grunt I know that)
"Karzai is just as bad, he just is better at kissing ass"

I used to chat with some Afghan refugees fairly often. Most of them were Hazara, so not exactly in favour of the Taliban, but even so one guy said the majority of the people termed "Taliban" were just local officialdom. Apparently he had an uncle who was "Taliban", despite being half Hazara. Those dictating the Islamist doctrine were a small minority. So patchy enforcement and brutal examples doesn't really come as a surprise.

The whole situation is fucked.

Glad they got rid of them as girls can go back to school and repair has begun on those giant Buddha statues but all the other shit...

 

[MicroBrew]

When I was living in Arabia, there was a common perception that local Arab elderly males, Pashtuns and very religious Muslim men were all perverts and pedos. Partly this had to do with propositions by local Arab men and Pashtuns. I recal friends saying that when the imam is screaming the call to prayer, he is probably also jackin off to thoughts of little boys. Islamic clerics were just assumed to be perverted pedos. There is no hard evidence , like polls, to substantiate this, it was just a perception among expats. It was not a perception against Muslims per se, just some Muslims.

 

[Gregolian]

Also, yes, Islam has some truly horrifying aspects, as does every religion. No one here is saying sleeping with a nine-year-old child is okay. It's just stupid to allege that.

I think a lot of people feel like Judaism and Christianity don't have as serous of issues as Islam MOSTLY because both are so old they've gone through reformations and such (obviously Catholics have the issues with kiddy diddling bishops and shit).

Islam meanwhile is relatively young in comparison and has never gone through that Reformation sorta thing and frankly... sometimes I wonder if it will.

 

[JosephDredd]

I think a lot of people feel like Judaism and Christianity don't have as serous of issues as Islam MOSTLY because both are so old they've gone through reformations and such (obviously Catholics have the issues with kiddy diddling bishops and shit).

Islam meanwhile is relatively young in comparison and has never gone through that Reformation sorta thing and frankly... sometimes I wonder if it will.

I agree with you. I've started dozens of furious threads about the rape, molestation slavery, torture and murder that happens in some Islamic countries. That's exactly the reason why one shouldn't need to lie to find reasons to hate Islam.

There's something inherently goofy in this line of thinking: group X is notorious for making shit up, group X hates Islam, group X hates homosexuals, group X decides to spread the lie that Islam promotes homosexuality, even though there are many, many real and terrible reasons to hate Islam. Hey, group X: stop being ignorant fucktards, read some goddamn books instead of making shit up and maybe jump aboard the real problems Islam can be criticized for.

 

[lfd0311]

Where? There are enough shitty things happening under Muslim rule around the world that you don't have to make things up.

Also, yes, Islam has some truly horrifying aspects, as does every religion. No one here is saying sleeping with a nine-year-old child is okay. It's just stupid to allege that.

What exactly am I making up?

 

[lfd0311]

They've executed people for it Saudi Arabia, Iran and Afghanistan. Qatar and the other states that do floggings and imprisonment don't publicly record them.
That said, it's still easier to be gay than single and actively heterosexual in Saudi Arabia apparently. So even though the teachings of Islam are against it, you could say the strict gender segregation it's fundamentalists support encourages it.

Again, I'm not arguing that they don't execute "gay" men. How many pedophiles do they execute a year? See if you can find that, since we both acknowledge that pedophilia is a massive problem in the region, correct?

 

[lfd0311]

I agree with you. I've started dozens of furious threads about the rape, molestation slavery, torture and murder that happens in some Islamic countries. That's exactly the reason why one shouldn't need to lie to find reasons to hate Islam.

There's something inherently goofy in this line of thinking: group X is notorious for making shit up, group X hates Islam, group X hates homosexuals, group X decides to spread the lie that Islam promotes homosexuality, even though there are many, many real and terrible reasons to hate Islam. Hey, group X: stop being ignorant fucktards, read some goddamn books instead of making shit up and maybe jump aboard the real problems Islam can be criticized for.

Who is making anything up in this thread?

 

[Gregolian]

I agree with you. I've started dozens of furious threads about the rape, molestation slavery, torture and murder that happens in some Islamic countries. That's exactly the reason why one shouldn't need to lie to find reasons to hate Islam.

There's something inherently goofy in this line of thinking: group X is notorious for making shit up, group X hates Islam, group X hates homosexuals, group X decides to spread the lie that Islam promotes homosexuality, even though there are many, many real and terrible reasons to hate Islam. Hey, group X: stop being ignorant fucktards, read some goddamn books instead of making shit up and maybe jump aboard the real problems Islam can be criticized for.

Here's the biggest problem. Group X says those things about Islam and Muslims in general right.... it usually isn't Islam and Muslims that are fighting against said things that are said about them.

 

[JosephDredd]

What exactly am I making up?

Who is making anything up in this thread?

This is how lazy you are: sex with underage children is a rampant problem in certain Islamic countries, especially countries engaging in slavery. I've posted so many articles on this. I once started a thread about how ISIS actually had to release raping guidelines to their followers because of the atrocities they were committing to their sex slaves, which include children. This is also how lazy you are: gay porn is the number one type of porn watched in many Muslim countries.

Which means that there is plenty of evidence out there to back up your claims, if you actually would have gone looking for it. But you didn't, because you're only interested in shitposting. You were pressured into posting actual Koran verses, but would obviously have much rather just post your garbage thoughts and say, "everyone knows this", "in my experience this is indisputable", "you obviously are uninterested in information", etc.

So here's what's going on: you're just posting shit that you've picked up from your alt-right circle jerks on reddit, 4chan, voat or wherever. You have no idea how much of it is true, but you bring it back to Sherdog along with the shittiest ideas from the biggest fucktards on the internet ("you're defending sleeping with 9-year-old children!").

Go find actual sources for what you're saying instead of getting pissy that people aren't just swallowing the bullshit you're spewing like they do in your The_Donald echo chamber. Because there is some merit to what you're saying, but your head is so far up your ass you have no idea what has merit and what is just rabid fucktards using homosexuality to attack Islam because they don't like either.

 

[JosephDredd]

Here's the biggest problem. Group X says those things about Islam and Muslims in general right.... it usually isn't Islam and Muslims that are fighting against said things that are said about them.

Here's the thing: nobody on this thread is singing the virtues of Islam or trying to minimize its horrors, we just want things posted against them to be true. Do you agree that empirical truth should be preserved in these discussions? Because this is just a small part of a much larger problem.

 

[Gregolian]

Here's the thing: nobody on this thread is singing the virtues of Islam or trying to minimize its horrors, we just want things posted against them to be true. Do you agree that empirical truth should be preserved in these discussions? Because this is just a small part of a much larger problem.

It's the War Room and I'm enough of a cynic that nothing that gets said here will change anyone's mind or ideas.

And I say this when it has to do with all subjects.

Just look at any thread about firearms.... the anti-gun people will always be anti-gun and none of them change their minds.

 

[JosephDredd]

It's the War Room and I'm enough of a cynic that nothing that gets said here will change anyone's mind or ideas.

And I say this when it has to do with all subjects.

Just look at any thread about firearms.... the anti-gun people will always be anti-gun and none of them change their minds.

Because minds won't change, we shouldn't stress the necessity of posting provable information and facts? That makes no sense.

It sounds like you're saying that people should be able to say anything they want, no matter how much of a lie it is, just because nobody's likely to change their mind.

In my opinion, we should take this approach: nobody's mind needs to change, but the facts must be known.

 

[Gregolian]

Because minds won't change, we shouldn't stress the necessity of posting provable information and facts? That makes no sense.

It sounds like you're saying that people should be able to say anything they want, no matter how much of a lie it is, just because nobody's likely to change their mind.

In my opinion, we should take this approach: nobody's mind needs to change, but the facts must be known.

And when facts ARE shown people still bury their fucking head's in the sand so what's the point? Ultimately any political discussion on the internet is a joke, I just always end up here with the SB NFL threads are slow because I am bored.

Here's the facts as I see it, there are things in Muslim religious texts (the Hadith, Quar'an to a lesser degree) that advocate violence on different groups of people... Hadith's mention shit about homosexuals being killed (honestly don't know the details), point is you can show people the excerpts of said texts and they'll still bury their heads in the sand making donkey noises about how you're wrong.


EDIT:
I'm ranting a bit more than usual, had to go to work to be part of a skeleton crew cause my flakey ass division head is "sick" and couldn't go in like they were supposed to.