Turkey, the Kurds, and Syria(Kurds Reach Afrin Deal with Syrian Government Forces)

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  1. Squish II

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    The worst part is as the conflict continues the hospitals will become more stressed and lose their ability to care for people effectively. I recommend that other people read this article as well to remember the human side of these conflicts that we follow. Turkey started the Afrin conflict but YPG must to the right thing in response By that I mean they should stop preventing civilians from being able to flee Afrin. The Syrian Government has given permission for YPG movements in and out using government territory and I assume that means they are also open for refugees. People would be much safer in a place like Aleppo City or Rojava. Maybe they are preventing them from leaving to make their soldiers fight harder like in Lenningrad, but it's also a propaganda tool for them. Such a dirty tactic. It's not worth it. People with contacts in Afrin report this. It's most likely true because there has been no news at all about refugees from Afrin, they are trapped in there. The only refugees I've heard of are people who fled before Olive Branch started.I don't believe that Turkey would bomb civilian only targets intentionally, it's a waste of money and probably bad for morale. If they were so bad they would have bombed the hospitals like Russia/Syrian gov. to reduce the YPG's ability to treat wounded soldiers, but they haven't. Or maybe I'm wrong and they are intentionally killing what they know are civilian targets but I will give them the benefit of the doubt for now.

    TFSA have fully captured mount Barsaya this time it seems:


    The mountain was extremely important to the YPG and heavily fortified. The loss of the mountain has given TFSA fire control over a huge area.
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    Another hill has been captured in the Rajo area (upper left side of Afrin map)
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    Turkey sending M110 203mm Self-Propelled Artillery to Afrin, possibly to mount Bursaya




    YPJ fighter Avesta Khabur blew herself up to stop Turkish forces from advancing in village of Jindires. Reports say it was a grenade and she killed herself to prevent being captured by TFSA. Two Turkish soldiers were killed (not confirmed). This could have a counterproductive effect since TFSA has been fine with capturing YPG fighters alive but if they become afraid of suicide bombers it could lead to YPG fighters being shot instead of detained.


    A large Turkish convoy has entered Idlib province. Lots of tweets saying the road ahead of them was bombed by Syrian/Russian planes. No one really knows what has happened yet and the convoy is currently stopped with its lights off. The rumors of them being escorted by HTS are false. Turkey may be trying to expand its occupation into Idlib.

    I can't read this map so I might be wrong in my explanation. The Astana agreement between Russia, Turkey and Iran allowed for a ceasefire between the Idlib Rebels and the Syrian government + Allies, excluding HTS, and the concession of some rebel held territory. The Government would then be able to launch a military campaign to capture Abu al-Duhur airbase and city and Turkey + most rebel groups would leave HTS to fight the government by itself as part of the deal. The purple is the areas the Government has retaken, blue looks like the area that was part of the agreement but not yet captured by the Government, and Green must be the area that is left to Turkey/Rebels to occupy. Not really related to Afrin but its happening concurrently so I'm going to mention it.
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    ATGM used on Inflatable Turkish tank lmao. The account that originally uploaded it removed the video in embarrassment, but why would this be uploaded in the first place.




    Cooking for the 'resistance': Kurds make meals for the front
    https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/contents/afp/2018/01/syria-conflict-kurds-food.html

    @HomerThompson That is what i mean. There is media reporting troops reinforcing Afrin but none of refugees from Afrin.




    About the YPG fighter who killed herself. There are still conflicting reports. Pro-Kurdish news says she threw the grenade down a tanks hatch. Others say she had a hand grenade in her mouth when surrendering and pulled the pin in panic, or that it somehow came off in panic.

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    Turkish convoy in Idlib. It is on the move again, but RuAF have launched airstrikes on their destination.
     
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    Two quick videos that do a good job explaining the conflict



     
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    Fuck Erdogan, fuck Tillerson, fuck my Kurdish government, fuck those so called "islamic" jihadists who are now killing sunni Muslims.
     
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    Excuse my rant. It's been a very depressing time for Kurds.
     
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    Turkish convoy heading towards de-escalation zone in southern Aleppo first harrassed by Russian planes bombing a village near them, then shelled by regime forced and finally car bombed by likely al Nusra.

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    Giant portrait of Abdullah Öcalan is sentenced to death by droning.

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    Turkish backed forces in Afrin in a video with a slain female fighter who appears to have her breats cut off.
     
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    Remember when everyone thought they were the good guys?

    Takbir!
     
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    USA created ISIS and now they let the kurds make the dirt job.... lol.
     
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    turks on the run
    kurds destroying some (dummy) tanks

     
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    AT-5 manages to find a tank not made of cardboard.

    edit: CNN Turk reports 5 soldiers "martyred" when tank struck by ATGM.



    Another one strikes a vehicle next to what I assume to be a border outpost.

     
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    Rebels caught a truck on route to Afrin with a rather large shipment of ATGMs and other weapons. Could be from anyone really.

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    Turkish Leopard destoyed by a ATGM hit.

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    Turkish Patton destroyed.

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    Martyr my ass. I hope they burn in hell.
     
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    I'm always going to be on the Kurdish side of this. And I think it is time we get involved to protect our historical allies a bit more than we have. We have a long history of letting the Kurds down.
     
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