Trump to pardon the Hammonds (catalysts for the Bundy stand off)

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  1. gatchaman

    gatchaman Brown Belt

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    How much time did the Hammonds serve and how much would you like them to serve?

    You accuse me of minimizing the severity of their crime, but you refuse to discuss the crime of torture. It is you who is doing the minimizing.
     
  2. Quipling

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    The Hammonds were not tortured or accused of torture. Your post makes no sense. This is not "minimization," this is me ignoring your bizarre irrelevancies.
     
  3. gatchaman

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    Obama stated that the government agents conducted torture and that there would be no prosecution for these tortures.

    Ergo torture by government agents is not seen to be as bad as burning government grass by the Hammonds.

    Why will you discuss rape but not torture?

    Also, I repeat my question from my previous post:
    How much time did the Hammonds serve and how much would you like them to serve?
     
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  5. mrsenor

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    i lol irl
     
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  6. Hog-train

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    What the hell does the Hammond's case have to do with government torture?

    This is not related and a complete misdirection.

    It's like a kid got caught red handed stealing for his mom's purse and then he turns around and says "well how about the dog who shit on the rug?"

    What the hell does one have to do with the other?

    You keep saying the Hammond's sentence is double jeopardy, but it's not. What part of mandatory minimum sentence don't you understand?
     
  7. Hog-train

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    What's worse is us killing hundreds of thousands in the Middle East in collateral war damage, but that still has nothing to do with the topic. Stick to the discussion and start another thread if you want to discuss gov't torture.

    I would like them to serve the exact same 5 years that everyone else convicted of the same crime does. No special treatment.
     
  8. SammyPops

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    Na, he's way better than most at it.
     
  9. jamel

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    Man..

    This thread is all over the place.

    How we go from talking about the early release of a bunch of squatting welfare babies to talking about torture?

    I hope yall kept this same energy in the thread about ol rand paul getting his ass beat for fucking with his neighbors property.

    No way yall could have sided with the neighbor... Cause yall sound like a bunch of Rand Pauls right now.

    A bunch of aint shit neighbors with too much free time.
     
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  10. Gunny

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    I’m interested in this take but can’t watch a half hour of Stefan Molyneux
     
  11. Farmer Br0wn

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    It's a topic that will require more than ten minutes of study to fully grasp, comprehend, and understand.

    Everything in the video is sourced with full citations.
     
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    pinger Brown Belt Platinum Member

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    Off all the inbred sovereign citizen dipshits he chose this bunch. Lol
     
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  13. 44nutman

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    Since I live in Florida, I am going to kill a herd of Manatees, burn the ocean and wait for Trumps pardon.
     
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  14. HomerThompson

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    The reason is that they deserve to serve that time. It's a perfectly reasonable minimum sentence for the offense they committed.

    Fuck those guys.
     
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  15. gatchaman

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    That's two who have answered one of my questions. @Quipling you liked Hog-train's post #135 and in post #139 he is also in support of a full five years for the Hammonds to preserve the sanctity of mandatory minimums. Are you going to just like that post too and be the first-place most cowardly?

    Here is my question again in case you want to prove your half-courage:
    How much time did the Hammonds serve and how much would you like them to serve?
     
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  17. Limbo Pete

    Limbo Pete Super Samoderator Belt Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    No more derails plz
     
  18. gatchaman

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    Hello Limobo Pete.

    1) Your post is not in blue. Is your request as a poster or as a moderator?

    2) Do you consider this question considered to be a derail?:
    How much time did the Hammonds serve and how much would you like them to serve?

    3) Would you consider a discussion of the contents of the Molyneux video to be a derail?
     
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  19. Limbo Pete

    Limbo Pete Super Samoderator Belt Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Hello Gatchaman

    The derail was a multi-person descent into some crap about torture, etc.
    This isn't something i'm going to litigate. Just stay on topic. Any further questions should be delivered via PM.
     
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  20. gatchaman

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    According to the Molyneux video posted earlier by @Farmer Br0wn (starting at 24:12 below)

    the judge cited the following precedents to support upholding the 5-year minimum sentence for the Hammonds.

    The Supreme Court has upheld far tougher sentences for less serious or, at the very least, comparable offenses.

    See Lockyer v. Andrade (upholding a sentence of fifty years to life under California’s three-strikes law for stealing nine videotapes); Ewing v. California (upholding a sentence of twenty-five years to life under California’s three-strikes law for the theft of three golf clubs);

    Hutto v. Davis (upholding a forty-year sentence for possession of nine ounces of marijuana with the intent to distribute); Rummel v. Estelle (upholding a life sentence for under Texas’s recidivist statute for obtaining $120.75 by false pretenses).

    My understanding of the argument is that, in these precedents, it was correctly decided that the punishments were not cruel and unusual enough to evoke 8th amendment protection against the imposed mandatory minimum and so it should be for the Hammonds.

    For those of you willing to come forth and be outraged that a mere three (or four) years is deemed enough (Only a full five years behind bars will do for the Hammonds!), please tell me the sentence you would like for Leandro Andrade for stealing five children's videotapes from a K-Mart store in Ontario, California. He is sentenced to a mandatory minimum of fifty years.
     

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