Trump says Korea was part of China while meeting Chinese premier. Koreans are pissed?

Tropodan said:
I wonder if this was some kind of Freudian slip, indicating a possible deal of China absorbing NK in exchange for their support of a war.
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Would make sense. SK has failed in their attempts to reunite, and the people have showed no sand in resisting the embarrassing fat little dork leader. Let China make something out of it.
 
Palis said:
It = autistic screeching?
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BKMMAFAN said:
Korea was part of the Yuan dynasty. So, since the Mongols conquered both it and China, and Kublai ran his empire from China, it could be considered part of China in a way. Of course, there's absolutely no way the buffoonish clown knew this.
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But that's like saying India ran Burma since the Brits controlled both and India was the British main base of operations in that region.

I agree though that no way in hell Trump knew/knows the history of Mongol conquests and control in the Far East.
 
faustian said:
I don't blame him, Asia and Africa are two of the most confusing countries to keep up with in all of history. But if Korea and China are in fact two separate states, Trump should try to respect states' rights here
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Well Sarah Palin said Africa was a country so I think you are wrong . Take your fake facts and GTFO of here.

" Sarah Palin thought Africa was a single country, aides claim "

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-Africa-was-a-single-country-aides-claim.html
 
C'mon Sherbros, you're better than this.

Basically all the smaller Asian countries were colonized by one Chinese dynasty or another in the past. Most were ruled multiple times over different generations before they finally won their independence. Korea is no exception.

Some people denies this out of nationalism, something along the line of "We were never a part of China! Only our King capitulated to the Chinese Emperor, but not me!", but history is history.

The Tang dynasty of China did not favor the Imperial position of Goguryeo. The Monarch of Goguryeo was called 'The Grandest of Kings', a Taewang, and this was a major problem for the Chinese Imperial position.

The Emperor of China saw himself as the emperor of the entire civilized world, and thus saw that it was unacceptable for such an emperor to have equal diplomatic relations with any other Imperial powers. Just like how the Sui dynasty has gone to war with Goguryeo, the Tang did the same over this very reason.

After the Goguryeo–Tang War ended Goguryeo in 668, Silla absorbed the some of territory on the Korean peninsula, but China took and sacked most of the lands of Goguryeo. The devastation of cultural and religious destruction of the height of Korea was astonishing.
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During the 13th century, the Mongol Empire invaded China and defeated the Jin and Song dynasties, eventually establishing the Yuan dynasty in 1271 under Kublai Khan.

During the period of 1231–1259, the Mongol led Yuan Dynasty invaded Korea, ultimately resulting in the capitulation of Goryeo and becoming a vassal state of the Yuan Dynasty for over 80 years. The Yuan Dynasty eventually fell in 1368.
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Under Emperor Hong Taiji, the Manchuria-based Qing dynasty invaded Korea twice, in 1627 and 1636. Following the Second Manchu invasion of Korea, the Qing claimed victory and forced Injo of Joseon into submission, severing its relations with the collapsing Ming dynasty, which eventually fell in 1644.

Qing China's national strength gradually declined after its defeat in the First and Second Opium Wars. As such, China was forced to sign a series of concessions and unequal treaties with the Western colonial powers. At the same time, the Meiji Restoration occurred in Japan and led to the rise of the Empire of Japan, which gradually expanded its military power.

The Donghak Peasant Revolution of Korea in 1894 became a catalyst for the First Sino-Japanese War, which saw the defeat of the Qing military. As part of the terms in the post-war Treaty of Shimonoseki, China recognized the independence of Korea and ceased its tributary relations. The Korean Empire established modern diplomatic relationship with Qing, but Korea was eventually "annexed," against their will, by Japan under the Japan–Korea Treaty of 1910.
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MicroBrew said:
But that's like saying India ran Burma since the Brits controlled both and India was the British main base of operations in that region.

I agree though that no way in hell Trump knew/knows the history of Mongol conquests and control in the Far East.
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Kublai Khan was emperor of China and ran the empire from Beijing. If the King/Queen of England had relocated the government to India it'd be more analogous. The Yuan dynasty is considered to be a legitimate Chinese dynasty by even the Chinese, and it controlled Korea for a substantial period of time. But yeah, Trump wouldn't know squat about it. He can only hurt America's credibility by opening his mouth about Asian history.
 
RedSoul said:
Yes. Stop making excuses for his ignorance. The culture is completely different, and the people are also physically larger and look different than the Chinese.
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North Koreans are shorter on average due to poor living conditions. Avg height in SK and China is about the same. You're adding a silly new dimension to this.
 
Arkain2K said:
C'mon Sherbros, you're better than this.

Basically all the smaller Asian countries were colonized by one Chinese dynasty or another in the past. Most were ruled multiple times over different generations before they finally won their independence. Korea is no exception.

Some people denies this out of nationalism, something along the line of "We were never a part of China! Only our King capitulated to the Chinese Emperor, but not me!", but history is history.
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Are the Chinese now claiming mongol history too?
 
Banchan said:
Are the Chinese now claiming mongol history too?
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They don't actually have to claim anything, the Yuan dynasty is widely considered by historians to be both Mongols and Chinese, especially after Kublai himself start becoming more Chinese, declared his territories a Chinese dynasty, took up the official tittle of "Emperor of China" in additional to his "Great Khan" status, and moved his empire's capital to Beijing.

That pretty much makes the Yuan dynasty a Chinese dynasty with an ethnic-Mongol emperor at the top. Mongols may have conquered China, but their nomadic ways of life were effectively absorbed by Chinese culture in the process. Their history starting from the moment the Yuan dynasty were established became a part of Chinese history, all the way until they declared their independence from China in 1911.

You can correctly say Mongolia was and continued to be a part of China up until the Qing dynasty, when only the outer half managed to break free from Beijing, and no one in their right mind would be pissed at the stating of such dry-cut historical fact. (Beijing still have the inner half of Mongolia in their posession, by the way - to the tune of 1,200,000 km2 of land to be exact).
 
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