Trump eases Ethanol standards.

[lfd0311]

Trump was causing leftists to oppose corn ethanol in 2014?

Trump has literally nothing to do with it. That's the point. People like you are making it about Trump because, as @Madmick said, you're utterly hysterical.

 

[Rod1]

You should tell the oil industry who is opposing these easements.

Next time test the water first. Self-ownage at its finest.

Maybe read your own sources first?

Its refiners who are pissed, not big oil.

A total of 27 small-sized U.S. refiners—a higher number than usual—have sought waivers from the biofuels standard program from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), Reuters reported last month, citing sources familiar with the matter. Refiners have been emboldened by President Trump’s anti-regulatory policies and court rulings last year that extended the criteria for EPA to grant waivers, the sources noted.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Big-Corn-vs-Big-Oil-The-Battle-Over-Biofuel.html

 

[Rod1]

Trump has literally nothing to do with it. That's the point. People like you are making it about Trump because, as @Madmick said, you're utterly hysterical.

So you agree with me? why not say so?

 

[lfd0311]

Those farms can easily be replaced with less wasteful corporate farms, or even state-owned farms.

Poor people can either be taken care of or let go to waste. I'd rather not have to sell my car because it can't drive over dead poor people.

People like you should really come to the Midwest before you say just flat out stupid things like this.

 

[lfd0311]

I can be against ethanol usage being increased, and want cars with higher average MPG.

I can advocate for wind, and solar power and want to decrease overall use of fossil fuels while being against corn subsidies. Personally, I favor much stricter CAFE standards.

So basically you're pro welfare but against corn subsidies. Interesting....

 

[lfd0311]

So you agree with me? why not say so?

About what?

Rod, I'll be honest with you, I very rarely have any idea what you're talking about. You very rarely make sense for an entire series of posts.

 

[Madmick]

Maybe read your own sources first?

Its refiners who are pissed, not big oil.

A total of 27 small-sized U.S. refiners—a higher number than usual—have sought waivers from the biofuels standard program from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), Reuters reported last month, citing sources familiar with the matter. Refiners have been emboldened by President Trump’s anti-regulatory policies and court rulings last year that extended the criteria for EPA to grant waivers, the sources noted.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Big-Corn-vs-Big-Oil-The-Battle-Over-Biofuel.html

You channel a special level of retarded when you're mad, @Rod1.


*Edit* BTW, that wasn't from the article I posted. This was:

The oil industry, however, has a different concern. They’re worried that the change would reduce the incentive for the ethanol and corn industries to negotiate major reforms to the Renewable Fuel Standard, the federal policy that requires fuel refiners to blend specified amounts of ethanol into gasoline.

Oil companies also stand to sell less traditional gasoline, while their costs could go up, if Trump’s plan is implemented.

“I can’t overstate how disappointed we are with this decision by the president,” said Chet Thompson, president of American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers, which represents fuel refiners.

 

[Rod1]

About what?

Rod, I'll be honest with you, I very rarely have any idea what you're talking about. You very rarely make sense for an entire series of posts.

1.- Your argument is that leftists are again corn ethanol because of Trump.

2.- I provided an article showing opposition to corn ethanol on enviromental grounds from 2014.

3.- You quoted my post and said that "Trump had nothing to do with it".

What point is hard to understand? enviromental opposition to corn ethanol predates Trump, it became when it was shown that corn ethanol was actually detrimental to the enviroment.

 

[Rod1]

Huh2

You channel a special level of retarded when you're mad, @Rod1.


*Edit* BTW, that wasn't from the article I posted. This was:

No, im being perfectly clear, only dishonest pieces of shit or partisan imbeciles incapable of seeing the world in a non-partisan way are unable to understand the point i was making.

Which one are you?

PD

Your article says the same thing as mine, its refiners (specifically medium sized ones AKA NOT BIG OIL) who are opposed and on grounds that are completely unrelated to enviromental issues.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/23/...ice-ethanol-credits-add-to-refiners-woes.html

Also if these independent refineries go under. Who will benefit the most? who will come sweeping and buy these broke refineries at a discount? yup, BIG FUCKING OIL.

 

[My Spot]

Shhhh. Let him screech.

He also made a thread about how he chose a plan that didn't cover maternity and prenatal and blamed Trump for his wife getting knocked up.

 

[Madmick]

No, im being perfectly clear, only dishonest pieces of shit or partisan imbeciles incapable of seeing the world in a non-partisan way are unable to understand the point i was making.

Which one are you?

PD

Your article says the same thing as mine, its refiners (specifically medium sized ones AKA NOT BIG OIL) who are opposed and on grounds that are completely unrelated to enviromental issues.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/23/...ice-ethanol-credits-add-to-refiners-woes.html

Also if these independent refineries go under. Who will benefit the most? who will come sweeping and buy these broke refineries at a discount? yup, BIG FUCKING OIL.

I'm mocking you for arguing that oil refiners aren't part of the oil industry. You've now realized how stupid that was, but only after I pointed it out, and have tried again to split hairs by saying, "Specifically medium-sized refiners"...which is just the indication of how you realized after I gif-mocked you that dismissing "refiners" as separate from "Big Oil" is laughably untenable. Now you're trying to pretend you already understood that. It's mind-boggling. Of course the oil refinement industry is part of the larger oil industry, and no, it isn't "specifically medium sized ones" who are opposing this measure-- just acutely them. They just have the most skin in the game. It's the freaking AFPM and the API. This is the oil lobby:
https://www.afpm.org/about-afpm/
https://www.api.org/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Fuel_and_Petrochemical_Manufacturers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Petroleum_Institute

AFPM is a trade association representing high-tech American manufacturers of virtually the entire U.S. supply of gasoline, diesel, jet fuel, other fuels and home heating oil, as well as the petrochemicals used as building blocks for thousands of vital products in daily life.

The American Petroleum Institute (API) is the largest U.S. trade association for the oil and natural gas industry. It claims to represent about 650 corporations involved in production, refinement, distribution, and many other aspects of the petroleum industry.

Nobody said the oil industry was opposing this on environmental grounds. The Hill article called them "strange bedfellows". Selling less traditional gas hurts the large and the small in the oil business. It isn't about broader concerns, either. We are talking about this specific context. This is a pro-farmer, pro-corn, pro-Midwest measure.

You impugn me as "partisan", and you still haven't figured out that my initial comment chiding Nutman was a condemnation of framing ethanol subsidy as a strictly partisan issue (TRUUUUUMPP!!!!!) when this three-decade blunder has largely been a bipartisan effort; one that Obama himself supported in an identical fashion through his EPA as late as 2015.

Have you figured out yet that I'm not keen on ethanol subsidy? Miss those posts directed at Hunter? Too busy being butthurt about a debate you lost months ago to notice?

 

[lfd0311]

1.- Your argument is that leftists are again corn ethanol because of Trump.

2.- I provided an article showing opposition to corn ethanol on enviromental grounds from 2014

Written by an ultra conservative who's writings are almost totally dedicated to singing the praises of Nuclear energy and bashing green energy. The last thing that James Conca is is a Leftist.

Secondly, Conca's entire point is that green energy (which is actually what he's talking about in that article, BTW. He's talking about biomass, he isn't talking strictly about Ethanol) causes far more carbon emissions than fossil fuels or nuclear power, yet Leftists (The Party of Science) continue to harp on what a clean alternative renewables are despite that being demonstrably not true. Except of course in this one instance where it somehow became about Trump. Then, once again, as @Madmick, hysteria kicked in. Furthermore, when I pointed that out, you came roaring into this thread and called me a partsain hack. So again, WTF are you even talking about?

3.- You quoted my post and said that "Trump had nothing to do with it".

What point is hard to understand? enviromental opposition to corn ethanol predates Trump, it became when it was shown that corn ethanol was actually detrimental to the enviroment

Yes, I did. Because Trump has nothing to do with it. Leftists like @44nutman have and continue to push for renewable energy, while at the same time whining about the carbon emissions created by the very progams they are outright demanding be put in place. Again, what the hell are you babbling about, Rod?

 

[Rod1]

I'm mocking you for arguing that oil refiners aren't part of the oil industry.

MEDIUM sized refineries are not Big Oil, before throwing the retard word around read a little bit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Oil

No need to read the rest when you spout such fucking non-sense.

And BTW that would explain why "some companies" are against corn ethanol, it doesnt explains why leftists ought to support corn ethanol.

 

[Rod1]

Written by an ultra conservative who's writings are almost totally dedicated to singing the praises of Nuclear energy and bashing green energy. The last thing that James Conca is is a Leftist.

Conca is linking a piece from an UN study, the messenger is irrelevant.

Yes, I did. Because Trump has nothing to do with it. Leftists like @44nutman have and continue to push for renewable energy, while at the same time whining about the carbon emissions created by the very progams they are outright demanding be put in place. Again, what the hell are you babbling about, Rod?

Just because corn ethanol is shit, it means all renewables are actually creating more emissions? what kind of logic is that?

 

[lfd0311]

Conca is linking a piece from an UN study, the messenger is irrelevant.



Just because corn ethanol is shit, it means all renewables are actually creating more emissions? what kind of logic is that?

Do Liberals continue to push the mantra that renewables lower emissions, or not?

Did you actually read your own link, because he's talking about biomass, not simply corn. He's talking about renewable energy in general, and also taking a swipe at ethanol.

 

[Rod1]

Do Liberals continue to push the mantra that renewables lower emissions, or not?

Corn ethanol has been proven not to be renewable.

People tend to talk about wind and solar mainly when talking about renewables.

Did you actually read your own link, because he's talking about biomass, not simply corn. He's talking about renewable energy in general, and also taking a swipe at ethanol.

The IPCC study is talking about crops being grown for fuel.

Ethanol could be renewable, as long as the source is.

 

[Madmick]

MEDIUM sized refineries are not Big Oil, before throwing the retard word around read a little bit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Oil

No need to read the rest when you spout such fucking non-sense.

And BTW that would explain why "some companies" are against corn ethanol, it doesnt explains why leftists ought to support corn ethanol.

Doubling down on stupid shit won't spare you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil_fuels_lobby

So-called Big Oil companies such as ExxonMobil, Royal Dutch Shell, BP, Total S.A., Chevron Corporation, and ConocoPhillips are amongst the largest corporations associated with the fossil fuels lobby....

• American Petroleum Institute
• Australian Coal Association
• Climate change denial
• Energy subsidies
• ExxonMobil climate change controversy
• Fossil fuel divestment
• Greenhouse Mafia
• Lobbying in the United Kingdom
• Lobbying in the United States
• Petroleum politics
• Politics of global warming

Who do you think lobbies like the American Petroleum Institute, American Fuel & Petrochemical Manufacturers, and the American Energy Alliance serve? Where did you get the idea they lobby ONLY on behalf of "medium-sized" refineries?

You ate shit. You came in and shouted a slew of bold declarations and then caught a headline like a pornstar dick across the face. How many more times do you want to drink at this fountain? The water doesn't turn a different color than yellow.

 

[SamSchmidt]

Trump,2020

 

[no fat chicks]

Lol at quoting a website that for 25$ I can officially become a "concerned scientist". Quit reading activist nonsense, youre probably the one who believed in the solyndra embarrassment; ethanol doesn't come from democrat tears, I promise.

Biofuels and ethonal are very effective; (ethanol contains oxygen which makes it burn quicker and cleane) if these countries had access to our massive and efficient farming they wouldn't be messing around with a windmill.

you are a total partisan hack of a poster. Ethanol sucks the life out of any older motor. You can't leave it sit for a month without risking wrecking a carburetor. The last thing anyone should want is to have all these stock muscle cars fall apart because big gov pushed some shit fuel on us.

 

[Rod1]

You ate shit. You came in and shouted a slew of bold declarations and then caught a headline like a pornstar dick across the face. How many more times do you want to drink at this fountain? The water doesn't turn a different color than yellow.

Are you doubling down on the retard? why would Big Oil lobby against their best interests? do you realize that Big Oil would benefit from these companies going under specially since Big Oil is the reason why these credits are expensive in the first place?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ethanol-credits-drive-up-the-cost-of-doing-business

The big companies such BP and Shell are best set up to blend the ethanol, and thereby collect the most RINs. Many merchant companies and small refiners only do the first step of the refining process, which includes turning the crude oil into fuel and sending it into the market. And because they don't have access to the second step of the fuel-to-market process, the blending part, they have to buy RINs from the major oil companies in order to meet the RFS each year.

You clearly only read the title of your own article and started spewing irony and claiming that liberals were contradicting themselves by "siding" with big oil.