Transgender politics: conversion therapy bans | Page 6

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  1. sangreporsangre Silver Belt

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    What about the dogmas of today? Do you have any opinion on some of the stuff I've posted in here - "conversion therapy" bans for trans kids, Dr Zucker's downfall, children being sterilized by the combination of puberty blockers + cross-sex hormones, pushes to get age limits lowered for surgeries as well as less referral notes from psychologists, efforts to legally remove children from parents who don't want to go along with affirmation therapy, etc?
     
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    Well, that would be the one exception.
     
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    Yes and no. I agree with you that the culture of the LGBT community promotes self destructive behavioral patterns but I think that's partially a result of its formation as an underground counter-culture defined against the dominant more prudish culture of Western heteronormativity(can't believe I just used that word). This is only exacerbated by the fact that academia tended to be relatively more open to the LGBT community and having the center of gravity of your movement partially rooted in the academy would seem to me to predispose it to more radical and anti-traditional ideas.

    Its sort of like how if you drill into kids heads that they should never ever do drugs because they're really super bad for you some of them are going to do the exact opposite of what you tell them to and become more interested in drugs after you just told them to avoid it, especially if they're friends with smarmy anti-authority cunts who are too smart for their own good.
     
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    Why? We don't trust minors on a whole host of issues from voting to drinking, why should something as complex as gender identity be something they figure out for themselves? Society possess a set of norms for a whole variety of different social situations, part of raising children is socializing them to such norms and gender norms are among the most significant.
     
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    On that show Modern Family they had some transgender kid once. I didn't even know that was a thing. Made me sick to my stomach.
     
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    Get used to it . The pratice will became very frequent.
     
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    We experiencing a heavy bout of cultural Marxism pushed top down, in which transgenders (among others) are used as pawns, or vanguards. A small but well moneyed elite can wreak havoc on a large population over time.

    We aren't all fans.
     
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  8. Devout Pessimist Tragic Vision

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    If gender is merely a social construct, then why do trannies need to go through so much effort to change their gender?
     
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  9. sangreporsangre Silver Belt

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    It's another example of normalizing "gender affirmation", the process of socializing a child as the opposite gender or non-binary and beginning the process of their transition as soon as possible, via the media. A parent faced with this problem might not consciously think to themselves "well we should definitely go through with this because it was on Modern Family!" But it's yet another example of the media push for early transition, and all of them combined will definitely work to push parents in a particular direction imo.
     
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    Maybe this is a better question to ask: if transgenderism is a natural state of being rather than a mental disorder as trans activists claim, why does it require such drastic medical procedures e.g. chemical puberty suppression, cross-sex hormones and sex reassignment surgery according to those very same activists?
     
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    Maybe we should take a look at yet another media account of a child going down the affirmative therapy route and transitioning to the opposite sex. This one from the New York Times in 2015 - inb4 fake news.

    Hmm so an angsty teen feels weird in their body and goes on the internet and self-diagnoses as trans.....seems like a lot of these cases start off like that. Seems like a pretty flimsy foundation for a complete chemical and surgical change of identity, but wtf do I know. Weird how the father couldn't remember any clues from his kid's childhood. I thought that children know their "authentic" gender at the age of 3?

    Here's the thing about the cutting.....they actually have a picture of the poor kid's wrist complete with scars:

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    Note the age: 17. At the bottom of the article there's a clarification from when they first published this:

    Wait, you're telling me that "she" started cutting herself after transitioning socially and going on hormone treatment? Wtf is going on here.....I thought it was the refusal or hesitation to begin the transition process that caused self-harm in kids with gender dysphoria. This doesn't exactly square with trans activist dogma. Could there be some other underlying mental health issues that are responsible for the self harm.....and maybe even for the gender dysphoria itself?

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    He was fuckin salivating at the thought of administering Lupron off-label to pre-pubescent children? Wtf?? Would anyone reading this feel comfortable with entrusting the well-being of your child's mental health to this individual? Btw he's considered one of the leading pediatric gender care specialists in the US.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/17/nyregion/transgender-minors-gender-reassignment-surgery.html?_r=1

    Ok so this was just one story, but there's a ton of them from around the Western world: USA, Canada, Australia, UK. What do you guys think about such stories? Do you find them convincing that affirmation therapy and early transition is the best way to go with a child suffering from gender dysphoria? Or do you find that they leave you with more questions than answers??
     
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    I'll tell you what I think.

    All this transgender crap is a bunch of bull----. I don't care if all the gay doctors and Bill Nye are telling me "it's science."

    Anyone with common sense knows it's bull----.
     
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    So in that NYT article it talks about how the teenager went on the internet and discovered that he was actually a she. "I was reading through some symptoms, not really symptoms, but some of the attributes of it did click,” she recalled." So what kind of stuff can kids find on the internet to help them discover if they are actually trans or not?

    Well we've all heard of Reddit - the so-called front page of the internet, it's one of the most popular forums in the world and has a subforum (or subreddit) for just about everything. Why don't we take a peek and see what kind of stuff is discussed on trans subreddits?

    A 14 year old asks for advice on both the MTF subreddit and the asktransgender one. In one of them a helpful poster responds with this:

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    In the other, a poster responds with advice on how to get some prescription pills illegally:

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    Here's a really disturbing one. A kid starts a thread saying this:

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    And here's a response that he gets, which got the most upvotes:

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    Well not to post the whole thread on here, but I'll include a link. What happens is extremely disturbing: this kid goes from questioning his gender to taking hormones in 3 months.

    https://transgenderreality.com/2015...estioning-to-taking-hormones-in-three-months/

    I really recommend anyone who is wondering how so many tweens and teens are suddenly coming to the realization that they are "in the wrong body" check out this website, transgenderreality.com. It details a very disturbing pattern of activity that I would have to refer to as grooming - I can't think of any other way to put it. I'll link to a few of the creepier ones but there's a whole archive full of them:

    https://transgenderreality.com/2016/08/04/questioning-teens-and-social-contagion/
    https://transgenderreality.com/2015...male-body-to-i-am-truly-a-girl-in-a-few-days/
    https://transgenderreality.com/2015...-how-teens-are-persuaded-to-start-transition/
    https://transgenderreality.com/2015...ppy-with-your-body-for-the-rest-of-your-life/

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    What do you guys think about this? Could this kind of online activity play an active role in the meteoric rise of kids identifying as trans and non-binary in recent years, or are more kids coming out as their "authentic self" earlier because it's accepted more in our enlightened society? Am I a bigot who is causing harm and violence towards trans youth just for raising these questions?
     
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    Common sense can be wrong though Rip. Common sense can be overruled by science. My question is: where is the science that shows that early transitioning children with gender dysphoria is the safer practice than Dr Zucker's methods?
     
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    Well I'm not wrong on this. And I know we agree on this topic.

    And early transitioning of children is gonna lock these kids in a problem that they will have a harder time breaking out of. And one of the things is the permanent damage of the drugs and hormones they put the kids on before puberty is over with.
     
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    Further, how is "female brain" operationally defined?
     
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    No matter how much you want things to be to conform to your religious views, homosexuality and transsexuality are not the result of unaddressed mental and emotional problems. That used to be the thinking in psychology and psychiatry, but it was debunked, decades ago. It's not a cop out, go back to school.
     
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    Honestly, I have not read the latest DSM and relevant research. But, I will say that although I agree that thinking on this issue will change with time, as things always do, I think going with the most up to date research and thinking on the subject is the best decision parents can make. The problem is when people wear the cloak of science but really are pushing snakeoil and repackaged dogma.
     
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    Many teenager can be easy malleable, they come from divorced families or absent parents or they feel inadeguated because are or think to be too fat or too short or ugly , their models are particolary stupid : superheroes, mutants, monster, childish tv shows that teach them that everything is possible and the reality itself is something that can be negate.
    so they are very vulnerable and became an easy prey
     
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    Quickly, because the voting and drinking ages are arbitrary and are not based on developmental psychology or neuroscience.
     
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