Transgender politics: conversion therapy bans

Children with ambiguous genitalia and genital injury may not have been able to have a normal sexual life, but trying to socialize them into a gender, as opposed to letting their true genders identities emerge, certainly made their lives much less "normal" and much more confusing and painful than it could have been. If you want a take away point from my previous post, it would be to allow children to figure things out for themselves in terms of gender identity. Parents may want to have things solved quickly, and to have gender identity issues treated in a medical way to fix the problem with medications and surgeries, but that may not be what is best for the child. It's tough stuff for well meaning parents, but fortunately they have healthy children, and hopefully as more understanding of gender identity emerges from neuroscience and endocrinology, the dogmas of the past will have less influence on how hard transgendered kids' lives need to be.

What about the dogmas of today? Do you have any opinion on some of the stuff I've posted in here - "conversion therapy" bans for trans kids, Dr Zucker's downfall, children being sterilized by the combination of puberty blockers + cross-sex hormones, pushes to get age limits lowered for surgeries as well as less referral notes from psychologists, efforts to legally remove children from parents who don't want to go along with affirmation therapy, etc?
 
I disagree, all young adolescent boys should be pumped full of steroids and spliced with jaguar DNA to prepare them for the revolution to overthrow the Jewish lizards who control the UN.

Well, that would be the one exception.
 
That's a cop out.
Yes and no. I agree with you that the culture of the LGBT community promotes self destructive behavioral patterns but I think that's partially a result of its formation as an underground counter-culture defined against the dominant more prudish culture of Western heteronormativity(can't believe I just used that word). This is only exacerbated by the fact that academia tended to be relatively more open to the LGBT community and having the center of gravity of your movement partially rooted in the academy would seem to me to predispose it to more radical and anti-traditional ideas.

Its sort of like how if you drill into kids heads that they should never ever do drugs because they're really super bad for you some of them are going to do the exact opposite of what you tell them to and become more interested in drugs after you just told them to avoid it, especially if they're friends with smarmy anti-authority cunts who are too smart for their own good.
 
Children with ambiguous genitalia and genital injury may not have been able to have a normal sexual life, but trying to socialize them into a gender, as opposed to letting their true genders identities emerge, certainly made their lives much less "normal" and much more confusing and painful than it could have been. If you want a take away point from my previous post, it would be to allow children to figure things out for themselves in terms of gender identity. Parents may want to have things solved quickly, and to have gender identity issues treated in a medical way to fix the problem with medications and surgeries, but that may not be what is best for the child. It's tough stuff for well meaning parents, but fortunately they have healthy children, and hopefully as more understanding of gender identity emerges from neuroscience and endocrinology, the dogmas of the past will have less influence on how hard transgendered kids' lives need to be.
Why? We don't trust minors on a whole host of issues from voting to drinking, why should something as complex as gender identity be something they figure out for themselves? Society possess a set of norms for a whole variety of different social situations, part of raising children is socializing them to such norms and gender norms are among the most significant.
 
On that show Modern Family they had some transgender kid once. I didn't even know that was a thing. Made me sick to my stomach.
 
On that show Modern Family they had some transgender kid once. I didn't even know that was a thing. Made me sick to my stomach.
Get used to it . The pratice will became very frequent.
 
Barf, what kind of demented culture tries to change a boy into a girl by using science? You people have the audacity to call all non-western countries 'shitholes' yet demonic practices such as this is celebrated in your so called 'superior' culture, making a mockery of nature. Westerners have no free will, they're all just brainwashed drones who do what corporations tell them to do, a corporation tells you to change your 5 year old child into another sex and you do it without fail just like the good little :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: drones that you are.

And you dare to point your nose down on other cultures as inferior, cultures that still emphasize communal values, extended family and traditional values. But you look down on these 'savages' because they don't have 3 refrigerators and an iphone 7.

Westerners with their disgusting, infestatious culture. Weak willed, demented, arrogant people who are brainwashed by the idea of individualism and 'freedom'. Fucking :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:s.

We experiencing a heavy bout of cultural Marxism pushed top down, in which transgenders (among others) are used as pawns, or vanguards. A small but well moneyed elite can wreak havoc on a large population over time.

We aren't all fans.
 
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If gender is merely a social construct, then why do trannies need to go through so much effort to change their gender?
 
On that show Modern Family they had some transgender kid once. I didn't even know that was a thing. Made me sick to my stomach.

It's another example of normalizing "gender affirmation", the process of socializing a child as the opposite gender or non-binary and beginning the process of their transition as soon as possible, via the media. A parent faced with this problem might not consciously think to themselves "well we should definitely go through with this because it was on Modern Family!" But it's yet another example of the media push for early transition, and all of them combined will definitely work to push parents in a particular direction imo.
 
If gender is merely a social construct, then why do trannies need to go through so much effort to change their gender?

Maybe this is a better question to ask: if transgenderism is a natural state of being rather than a mental disorder as trans activists claim, why does it require such drastic medical procedures e.g. chemical puberty suppression, cross-sex hormones and sex reassignment surgery according to those very same activists?
 
Maybe we should take a look at yet another media account of a child going down the affirmative therapy route and transitioning to the opposite sex. This one from the New York Times in 2015 - inb4 fake news.

Kat Boone did not fit the stereotype of a girl trapped in a boy’s body.

As a child, she dressed in jeans and shirts, like all the other boys, and her best friend was a boy. She liked to play with cars and slash bad guys in the Legend of Zelda video games. She still shuns dresses, preferring skinny jeans and band T-shirts.

But as a freshman in high school in Cazenovia, N.Y., she became depressed and withdrawn. “I knew that the changes going on with puberty were not me,” Kat said. “I started to really hate my life, myself. I was uncomfortable with my body, my voice, and I just felt like I was really a girl.”


When she discovered the transgender world on the Internet, she had a flash of recognition. “I was reading through some symptoms, not really symptoms, but some of the attributes of it did click,” she recalled.

It took a few months, but one night, she crept into her mother’s room and sat on the bed, crying. When she finally came out with what was bothering her, her mother’s first impulse was to comfort her, holding her hand and saying: “It’s O.K. It’s O.K.”

But inside, Gail Boone was terrified. She had wondered if her son was gay, and that, she says, would have been easier to deal with than a child who wanted to be the opposite sex.

“There’s this fear,” Ms. Boone said, “what is this going to do to my kid, what are people going to think, what are people going to think about me?”

Kat’s father, Andrew, had moved out when she was in fifth grade, and it took a few months for Kat and her mother to find the courage to tell him. Gail Boone had a background in psychology, which helped her understand. Mr. Boone, an operations and project manager, had a harder time, but was brought around for the sake of his child.

He read books about being transgender and raked his memory for clues in Kat’s early childhood, but could not find any. “Maybe she thinks this is the thing, and there’s something else going on,” he remembered thinking. “How do we know?” He wished there were something scientific like a blood test that would give him 100 percent certainty.

Hmm so an angsty teen feels weird in their body and goes on the internet and self-diagnoses as trans.....seems like a lot of these cases start off like that. Seems like a pretty flimsy foundation for a complete chemical and surgical change of identity, but wtf do I know. Weird how the father couldn't remember any clues from his kid's childhood. I thought that children know their "authentic" gender at the age of 3?

At 16 and a half, after seeing a therapist, Kat began taking estrogen and a blood pressure drug, spironolactone, that is also used to block the actions of testosterone, to help her look more female. In the fall of junior year, she showed up at school wanting to be called Katherine, or Kat, because she likes cats. She does not want anything to do with her birth name, Caden. She also has discovered that she likes girls. “I identify as a lesbian,” she said, though her attractions have not been reciprocated.

It was the cutting that convinced them that if she could not live as a girl, Kat would kill herself. She still has two angry scars on her left forearm. “It became clear to me that this wasn’t a passing phase or some choice or reaction,” Mr. Boone said. “This was truly the basis of what she was.”

Part of what brought her father around was the support network that has sprung up around transgender issues. In Syracuse, it is the Q (for queer or questioning) Center, run by the nonprofit ACR Health.

Here's the thing about the cutting.....they actually have a picture of the poor kid's wrist complete with scars:

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Katherine Boone, who goes by Kat, showing the scars from cutting herself when she was 17.

Note the age: 17. At the bottom of the article there's a clarification from when they first published this:

Correction: June 16, 2015
An earlier version of a picture caption with this article misstated the circumstances of Katherine Boone’s suicide threat. She cut herself when she was 17, not 16, and when she had already begun gender reassignment, not before.

Wait, you're telling me that "she" started cutting herself after transitioning socially and going on hormone treatment? Wtf is going on here.....I thought it was the refusal or hesitation to begin the transition process that caused self-harm in kids with gender dysphoria. This doesn't exactly square with trans activist dogma. Could there be some other underlying mental health issues that are responsible for the self harm.....and maybe even for the gender dysphoria itself?

The ability to alter a child’s gender physically has never been greater.

But the drive to treat children is relatively new. One of the first and biggest hormone programs for young teenagers in the United States is led by a Harvard-affiliated pediatric endocrinologist, Dr. Norman Spack, at Boston Children’s Hospital.

Dr. Spack recalled being at a meeting in Europe about 15 years ago, when he learned that the Dutch were using puberty blockers in transgender early adolescents.

“I was salivating,” he recalled. “I said we had to do this.

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He was fuckin salivating at the thought of administering Lupron off-label to pre-pubescent children? Wtf?? Would anyone reading this feel comfortable with entrusting the well-being of your child's mental health to this individual? Btw he's considered one of the leading pediatric gender care specialists in the US.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/17/nyregion/transgender-minors-gender-reassignment-surgery.html?_r=1

Ok so this was just one story, but there's a ton of them from around the Western world: USA, Canada, Australia, UK. What do you guys think about such stories? Do you find them convincing that affirmation therapy and early transition is the best way to go with a child suffering from gender dysphoria? Or do you find that they leave you with more questions than answers??
 
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What do you guys think about such stories? Do you find them convincing that affirmation therapy and early transition is the best way to go with a child suffering from gender dysphoria? Or do you find that they leave you with more questions than answers??
I'll tell you what I think.

All this transgender crap is a bunch of bull----. I don't care if all the gay doctors and Bill Nye are telling me "it's science."

Anyone with common sense knows it's bull----.
 
So in that NYT article it talks about how the teenager went on the internet and discovered that he was actually a she. "I was reading through some symptoms, not really symptoms, but some of the attributes of it did click,” she recalled." So what kind of stuff can kids find on the internet to help them discover if they are actually trans or not?

Well we've all heard of Reddit - the so-called front page of the internet, it's one of the most popular forums in the world and has a subforum (or subreddit) for just about everything. Why don't we take a peek and see what kind of stuff is discussed on trans subreddits?

A 14 year old asks for advice on both the MTF subreddit and the asktransgender one. In one of them a helpful poster responds with this:

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In the other, a poster responds with advice on how to get some prescription pills illegally:

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Here's a really disturbing one. A kid starts a thread saying this:

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And here's a response that he gets, which got the most upvotes:

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Well not to post the whole thread on here, but I'll include a link. What happens is extremely disturbing: this kid goes from questioning his gender to taking hormones in 3 months.

https://transgenderreality.com/2015...estioning-to-taking-hormones-in-three-months/

I really recommend anyone who is wondering how so many tweens and teens are suddenly coming to the realization that they are "in the wrong body" check out this website, transgenderreality.com. It details a very disturbing pattern of activity that I would have to refer to as grooming - I can't think of any other way to put it. I'll link to a few of the creepier ones but there's a whole archive full of them:

https://transgenderreality.com/2016/08/04/questioning-teens-and-social-contagion/
https://transgenderreality.com/2015...male-body-to-i-am-truly-a-girl-in-a-few-days/
https://transgenderreality.com/2015...-how-teens-are-persuaded-to-start-transition/
https://transgenderreality.com/2015...ppy-with-your-body-for-the-rest-of-your-life/

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What do you guys think about this? Could this kind of online activity play an active role in the meteoric rise of kids identifying as trans and non-binary in recent years, or are more kids coming out as their "authentic self" earlier because it's accepted more in our enlightened society? Am I a bigot who is causing harm and violence towards trans youth just for raising these questions?
 
I'll tell you what I think.

All this transgender crap is a bunch of bull----. I don't care if all the gay doctors and Bill Nye are telling me "it's science."

Anyone with common sense knows it's bull----.

Common sense can be wrong though Rip. Common sense can be overruled by science. My question is: where is the science that shows that early transitioning children with gender dysphoria is the safer practice than Dr Zucker's methods?
 
Common sense can be wrong though Rip. Common sense can be overruled by science. My question is: where is the science that shows that early transitioning children with gender dysphoria is the safer practice than Dr Zucker's methods?
Well I'm not wrong on this. And I know we agree on this topic.

And early transitioning of children is gonna lock these kids in a problem that they will have a harder time breaking out of. And one of the things is the permanent damage of the drugs and hormones they put the kids on before puberty is over with.
 
Common sense can be wrong though Rip. Common sense can be overruled by science. My question is: where is the science that shows that early transitioning children with gender dysphoria is the safer practice than Dr Zucker's methods?

Further, how is "female brain" operationally defined?
 
That's a cop out.

Trannies kill themselves because it's destructive behavior (the sex, drugs) and from the unaddressed mental and emotional problems that they all have, and that takes a toll on a person.

Don't blame Christians for that. It's really pathetic. We are the ones that would try to love and help them get out of all that.


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No matter how much you want things to be to conform to your religious views, homosexuality and transsexuality are not the result of unaddressed mental and emotional problems. That used to be the thinking in psychology and psychiatry, but it was debunked, decades ago. It's not a cop out, go back to school.
 
What about the dogmas of today? Do you have any opinion on some of the stuff I've posted in here - "conversion therapy" bans for trans kids, Dr Zucker's downfall, children being sterilized by the combination of puberty blockers + cross-sex hormones, pushes to get age limits lowered for surgeries as well as less referral notes from psychologists, efforts to legally remove children from parents who don't want to go along with affirmation therapy, etc?

Honestly, I have not read the latest DSM and relevant research. But, I will say that although I agree that thinking on this issue will change with time, as things always do, I think going with the most up to date research and thinking on the subject is the best decision parents can make. The problem is when people wear the cloak of science but really are pushing snakeoil and repackaged dogma.
 
So in that NYT article it talks about how the teenager went on the internet and discovered that he was actually a she. "I was reading through some symptoms, not really symptoms, but some of the attributes of it did click,” she recalled." So what kind of stuff can kids find on the internet to help them discover if they are actually trans or not?
Many teenager can be easy malleable, they come from divorced families or absent parents or they feel inadeguated because are or think to be too fat or too short or ugly , their models are particolary stupid : superheroes, mutants, monster, childish tv shows that teach them that everything is possible and the reality itself is something that can be negate.
so they are very vulnerable and became an easy prey
 
Why? We don't trust minors on a whole host of issues from voting to drinking, why should something as complex as gender identity be something they figure out for themselves? Society possess a set of norms for a whole variety of different social situations, part of raising children is socializing them to such norms and gender norms are among the most significant.

Quickly, because the voting and drinking ages are arbitrary and are not based on developmental psychology or neuroscience.
 
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