Transgender politics: conversion therapy bans | Page 5

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  1. ripskater Double Yellow Card

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    The LGBTQ is a very powerful group. They've infiltrated entertainment, education, medicine and who knows what else.

    I think that says that some people at the top have some weird stuff that they are into and promote.
     
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  2. sangreporsangre Silver Belt

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    Homosexuality may be very different than transgenderism, true, but I wouldn't say that gender dysphoria in children is a "totally different" issue than homosexuality. You know why? Because most of these gender non-conforming kids would probably grow to be open homosexuals or bisexuals if left to grow up on their own. Left to live as their birth sex with therapy from a medical professional, which used to be the common treatment but is now absurdly known as "conversion therapy". This is what the research shows. Instead, gender non-conforming kids are pushed into the "gender affirmation" path, and as we've seen this is the law in some places and is being pushed everywhere else (not sure how it is in Europe yet).

    So what we're getting are kids that would most likely grow up to be gay, but now after years of puberty blockers, breast binders, cross-sex hormones, and "top surgery' and "bottom surgery" they end up as grotesque caricatures of the opposite sex. Lifetime patients, and there's no evidence to show that they're any less likely to kill themselves which is the central feature of trans doctrine. You know who else does that, pushes gay kids into changing their birth sex? Iran.

    Personally I think that eventually the LGB will turn away from the T when they realize what's happening.....I also think that feminists are slowly turning as well. As girls competitions are won by boys wearing eye liner, as a bunch of men in dresses appropriate the issues of actual women. At the Women's March after Trump won there was all this bullshit controversy about how "transphobic" feminists just don't get it and think that vaginas have something to do with being female. Eventually this will boil over, eventually society will come to its senses.....but how many more kids are gonna be chemically castrated, sliced up, and have their minds completely fucked until that happens?
     
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    So if you've ever read an article or seen a tv piece on trans kids, they follow a pretty set formula. Child wants to play with toys and wear clothes and hairstyles associated with the opposite sex, parents are distressed as their child seems so unhappy and insists they were born in the wrong body, parents are eventually turned on to a pediatric gender clinician and gender affirmation therapy, child is placed on puberty blockers and socialized as the opposite gender (or non-binary), parents and classmates accept the child's authentic gender, everyone is happy, roll credits. Paints a pretty rosy picture of how gender affirmation therapy, the process of beginning the transition to the child's authentic self as soon as possible was a miracle cure and possibly saved the child's life - no doubt at some point in the article or news segment there will be some mention of how prone trans youth are to suicide.

    Sounds like a happy ending. After all, what could be more important to a parent than their child's happiness? But maybe the story doesn't end there though....after all, childhood doesn't last forever, right? You're an adult for much longer than you are a kid. So what could some of the long term affects be of this treatment? Well, one of them is that puberty blockers followed by cross-sex hormones results in permanent sterilization.

    https://4thwavenow.com/2017/01/26/shriveled-raisins-the-bitter-harvest-of-affirmative-care/

    Look, there's a bunch of other fucked-up potential side-effects - including damage to bones and joints from the puberty blockers, limited sexual function after reassignment surgeries - but I think this sterilizing effect should really be enough for our society to stop and say "wait a goddamn second here". Is there any other condition where we would be so quick to sacrifice a child's future potential to have children? Is a child or a teenager mature enough, is their brain developed enough, to make such a life-altering decision? And why are trans activists pushing so hard to make this process easier - less counselling, less referral notes, younger age limits etc? Or a better question is I guess.....why are governments going along with it??
     
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    Sorry.

    The studies were conducted with individuals who had specifically NOT been taking hormones, and were conducted on adults, not children. How many trans-gender children do you think exist in the world?

    Further clarification will be needed from you before your armchair dismissal of published scientific studies can be taken seriously.
     
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    Did you mention the test blockers causing depression so bad that the depression medication wouldn't work on the Jazz kid. That's how badly it screws them up.
     
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  7. sabretruth Silver Belt

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    Wrong.

    From the 1995 study:
    http://sindromebenjamin.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/brainsex.pdf

    From the 2000 study:
    https://academic.oup.com/jcem/artic...ale-to-Female-Transsexuals-Have-Female-Neuron

    A small minority of people think they are the wrong sex.

    See above.
     
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    I stand corrected about the hormones, however you missed the part where they included cisgender men and women who were also on hormones (for various medical reasons) not corresponding to their assigned biological sex, as a comparative analysis.

    You also seemed to have glossed over their conclusion, which suggested the following:

    "In summary, our observations suggest that the small size of the BSTc in male-to-female transsexuals cannot be explained by differences in adult sex hormone levels, but is established during development by an organizing action of sex hormones, an idea supported by the fact that neonatal gonadectomy of male rats and androgenization of the female rats indeed induced significant changes in the number of neurons of the BST and suppressed its sexual dimorphism [17,18]. Considered together with information from animals, then our study supports the hypothesis that gender identity alterations may develop as a result of an altered interaction between the development of the brain and sex hormones [5,6]. The direct action of genetic factors should also be considered on the basis of animal experiments"
     
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    How many? What was the sample size of "cisgender" folks?
     
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    The interpretation of the data is that nature made a mistake that needs to be corrected.
     
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    So what happens if you God forbid have a child who is convinced that they're "trapped in the wrong body", has a gender clinician who is pushing to start the transition process (complete with puberty blockers), but you, as the parent, balk? What if you refuse to go along with it? Well as I've posted earlier in the thread, if you're here in Ontario after Bill 89 passes, there's a good chance that Children's Aid will come take your kid from you. What about for our friends down in the US?

    Well, trans activists and pediatric gender clinicians are hard at work "training" and "educating" judges and Department of Human Services workers to get them on board with the program. If a parent won't consent to permanent, life-altering chemical programs and surgical procedures, maybe it's best to get the child out of that "toxic" environment.

    A presenter at the USPATH (United States Professional Association for Transgender Health) conference had this to say:

    A couple of the leading medical professionals in the field, Drs. Johanna Olson-Kennedy and Michelle Forcier, also spoke on the urgent need to remove children from parents who aren't on board with affirmation therapy, and some of the routes they go to secure that end.


    TransActive Gender Center - an Oregon based trans activism organization - has been working pretty hard to find family law attorneys to help remove children from deplorable parents who would deny their "authentic self", not to mention working with child services itself to try and expand the definition of "reportable trauma".

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    https://4thwavenow.com/2017/02/25/r...ocs-train-judges-call-cps-on-balking-parents/

    So what do you think about this? If you have reservations about your troubled 11 year old being completely socialized as the opposite gender complete with new name and pronouns and being pumped full of a drug with some pretty nasty side effects to chemically delay their puberty.....should your child be taken away from you by the state? Can somebody tell me how we even got to this point, that this question even needs to be asked??
     
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    the amazing thing is that in the past with hermaphrodite children, the doctors, at birth, would decide which gender the child would be based on which genitals he could make look more normal. sometimes even botched circumcisions would turn into doctors cutting it all off and telling parents that they should just raise their until recently boys as girls. it was the era of John Watson's behaviorism dominating western "science" and thinking, and the docs earnestly believed that this would result in the most mentally healthy children. Seriously, this isn't BS, I remember watching a video about it in a psychology class in college, and the psychologists interviewed several people that this had happened to, and they described their experiences growing up.
     
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  13. sangreporsangre Silver Belt

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    Damn, that sounds pretty messed up. I think that future generations are gonna look back to our time and express similar sentiments about some of the practices carried out by pediatric gender specialists these days, like administering Lupron off-label to pre-pubescent children to chemically delay their puberty, etc.
     
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  14. cabal Brown Belt

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    It is an anthropological change imposed from the top.
    Those childrens have a birth defect that would prevent them to have a normal life, it is a totally different case.
     
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    Holy warped view Batman!The type of therapy you are proposing doesn't work and the theory behind it has no basis in any legitimate psychological theory. It actually used to be considered mainstream up until the 1970's (based heavily on Alfred Adler's views on homosexuals having "inferiority complexes") when psychology moved away from dogma and actually started collecting data and utilizing statistics. Besides increased suicide during the teenage years, homosexuals do not stand out from heterosexuals in terms of any psychopathology, including drug addiction. The increased suicide rates though are as a result of a Judaeo/Christian society which considers their behavior to be deviant, and they kill themselves out of self hate for it. It's tragic.

    Furthermore, in terms of the religious attempts to change homosexual behavior, it doesn't change behavior. It is like any religious attempt to curb sexual appetites, study after study shows that religious kids are not different from non-religious kids in terms of age of first sexual experiences. And, pornography usage is actually higher among married religious men (with highest consumption in Mormon country Utah and bible belt Mississippi). The only difference is that the religious children, and the masturbating Christian men, feel guilty about what they are doing. So conversion therapy is just going to make gay guys and gals feel guilty about the gay sex they are having and about the gay porn they are watching. And, hopefully they are not lying to a partner that they are straight while meanwhile sodomizing strangers in rest stop bathrooms.
     
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    Children with ambiguous genitalia and genital injury may not have been able to have a normal sexual life, but trying to socialize them into a gender, as opposed to letting their true genders identities emerge, certainly made their lives much less "normal" and much more confusing and painful than it could have been. If you want a take away point from my previous post, it would be to allow children to figure things out for themselves in terms of gender identity. Parents may want to have things solved quickly, and to have gender identity issues treated in a medical way to fix the problem with medications and surgeries, but that may not be what is best for the child. It's tough stuff for well meaning parents, but fortunately they have healthy children, and hopefully as more understanding of gender identity emerges from neuroscience and endocrinology, the dogmas of the past will have less influence on how hard transgendered kids' lives need to be.
     
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    People with birth defects are an issue, children with gender disphorya are a totally different issue and cannot be considered the same or similar.
    The first one is a real aberration in the body ( a deformity with a genetic base) in the second the condition is the vague identification with the "opposite sex" and the body is perfect male or a perfect female, how can compare?
    The procedures in the first one may be necessary , in the second case will only destroy the healthy body and the future life of innocent childrens like a sort of human sacrifice.
     
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    Barf, what kind of demented culture tries to change a boy into a girl by using science? You people have the audacity to call all non-western countries 'shitholes' yet demonic practices such as this is celebrated in your so called 'superior' culture, making a mockery of nature. Westerners have no free will, they're all just brainwashed drones who do what corporations tell them to do, a corporation tells you to change your 5 year old child into another sex and you do it without fail just like the good little :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: drones that you are.

    And you dare to point your nose down on other cultures as inferior, cultures that still emphasize communal values, extended family and traditional values. But you look down on these 'savages' because they don't have 3 refrigerators and an iphone 7.

    Westerners with their disgusting, infestatious culture. Weak willed, demented, arrogant people who are brainwashed by the idea of individualism and 'freedom'. Fucking :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:s.
     
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    That's a cop out.

    Trannies kill themselves because it's destructive behavior (the sex, drugs) and from the unaddressed mental and emotional problems that they all have, and that takes a toll on a person.

    Don't blame Christians for that. It's really pathetic. We are the ones that would try to love and help them get out of all that.
     
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    I disagree, all young adolescent boys should be pumped full of steroids and spliced with jaguar DNA to prepare them for the revolution to overthrow the Jewish lizards who control the UN.
     
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